I'm turned on. That's why I say you can practice this loving all frames. You can love all limits inwardly and outwardly. So you see somebody exuberant, don't stop there. Love that delusion you have about them. The way I can try to do that is by trying to be present, to see my own delusions. Exactly. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. That's the practice of being present with your delusions and also know that you're present with delusions rather than be present with your realities and your truths. and your correct understandings. Now, you could have the delusion of, I understand correctly, but we need to remember that that's a frame called, I understand correctly, or I'm practicing really well, or I'm practicing like somewhat below average today, or today my practice is way above average.

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These are frames on our life. These are about myself. Or today they're practicing somewhat below average. Or today their practice is way above average. This is a frame I'm putting on the practitioners. Hey, I'm not saying to stop that. I'm saying that's what we do. Okay? Now, what I am saying, if you'd like to see through these frames into the true nature of all things and thereby help all beings, then love these frames. Which doesn't mean you believe them. or disbelieve them. It means you love them. It means you're present and relaxed and generous with them. And if you see that you cannot love them, that's another frame. That's another story. My story is I don't love this person. That's another frame. That's an interpsychic frame. Another frame is this person is not lovable. That's an interpersonal frame.

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This one's lovable, this one's not lovable. Those are frames on these two beings. So the main thing is to see your own. The thing is to see your own. It's to see your own. See your own. See your own. Frames that you put inwardly and outwardly. Now, then you can help others see their own. Yes. Could you say something about your setup of frames and how that relates to ceremony? How setting up frames relates to ceremony? Well, in the case of this example, the Buddha said the direct path is by mindfulness of these frames. Okay? The frames are already there. You already have a frame on your body. So that's already given.

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He's saying now be mindful of the frame you put on your body. So the ceremony is the mindfulness of what you're already up to. So like we do the ceremony of walking in and out of a room or the ceremony of sitting but that's supposed to be the ceremony of mindfully walking in the room. It's not just to walk in the room but to walk in the room mindful of the walking into the room and then sitting. It's not just to sit It's to be mindful and present with the walking and the sitting. So then those are ritual enactments of what we're already doing so that we can realize what we're already doing. And they're also ritual enactments of the true nature of the universe and intimacy with all beings. But that part comes after we settle into being mindful of what we're already aware of. somewhat, but it's to heighten our awareness of what we're already involved in, which is somewhat limiting, or just plain limiting.

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And through that means, open the door onto what we're involved in on a much more all-inclusive, selfless level. So the ceremony of seeing our limitations? The ceremony of seeing our limitations, yeah, or the ceremony of being aware of the limitations. So we have a ceremony of being aware that we're on the left side of this endo. And we really do put that, we do have that view of the situation. We think we're on the left side. We don't think we're on the right side. We think the right side's over there, separate from us. This is what our mind is doing. And by being aware of that, we are aware of what our mind's doing. And then we can become free of it and help other people. Would it be accurate to say the frames are the same as conventional truths?

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Are frames conventional truths? Frames are conventional truths, yes. So another way to say it is if you love conventional truths, that loving of conventional truths is the door to ultimate truth. And beings are helped by ultimate truth. conventional truth is more or less helpful, but not really, not, doesn't really help people much. Basically leaves them in, stuck in frames, which they do, which they have trouble with, which they suffer with, because frames are birth and death, gain and loss, self and other, and therefore fear. fear of death, fear of life, fear of coming, fear of going. So conventional world is basically suffering.

[06:47]

But that doesn't mean we try to trash it. Matter of fact, we're trying to learn to be really compassionate with it and then open to see what it is, namely, that it's ultimate truth. conventional truth is really ultimate truth. The way the conventional truth really is, is that it's ultimate truth. We have to love, as I said last time here, we have to love the world before we can save it. We have to love conventional truth before we open to ultimate truth. Opening to conventional truth also opens to ultimate truth. They're locked together, but if you're open, if you're closed to conventional truth, which is easy to be closed to because it oftentimes is a real insult, we close to it, then we close to the ultimate. If we open to it, we open to the ultimate. And opening, loving, mindfulness, presence, generosity and so on are the way to go towards helping people, helping others.

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Well, paralysis is another frame. So now I would suggest that you love the paralysis. Love the paralysis. That's a really nice frame. Basically all frames are paralyzing. So let's love the paralysis. The paralysis is a nice chunk of being for you to love. Are you loving it? Are you being gracious with this paralysis? No? Okay. Are you being loving that you're not being so great loving with it?

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Huh? Yeah, a little bit. That's enough to get started. A little bit. That's how you start. A little bit of love towards our inability to love paralysis. And we all understand that paralysis is not easy to love. It's not. Being choked is not easy to love. And then if you try and say, well, I can't, then say, well, can you be somewhat loving to that inability to do this really hard thing? Well, yeah. Well, that's a start. It's a start. Like Suzuki Roshi's son, Hoitsu, maybe you were there when he said it, he had asthma attack and he passed out. And while he was passed out, he heard his mother's voice. saying, , I actually think she called out his childhood name. Like, his name is , I think she means Ho-chan. , it means keep trying.

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He heard his mother's voice, you know, that compassion. Be kind to being choked. and a little opening in the throat open, a little breast comes through. So if you can feel the block, and then you can feel you can't even love the block, but you can like love this guy who can't even love the block, a little compassion is coming through, real compassion, because you feel the block, so you can test it on the block. And when you say that you feel paralyzed, it's like the impact, I feel some impact of the presentation of what we're doing is getting, you're being impacted, you're letting, you're feeling what I'm saying is so, that there's something about our mind which strangles us, which freezes us. And I'm saying we cannot avoid that.

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But once you feel it, now we've got something which should be, now we've got something which is the object of compassion. paralysis. Like I said, I've got the frame on the body. This body is becoming more and more paralyzed as time goes on. It's becoming more and more rigid and old, dying. Compassion towards this body and this body. That's where the life is. Anil, what do you want to say now? What do you want to say? Yeah. I mean, do you have something you'd like to say to me? I think before I asked you the question, I had the idea that maybe I could use that to get out

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Before you asked me the question, you thought you had the idea that you could use Zen for something? To get out of the paralysis. Well, thank you for telling us that. Maybe some other people had that idea. Yeah, so we do not use Zen to get out of paralysis. Zen is not used for anything. Zen is loving the paralysis. That's what Zen is. Zen is wanting to help the paralysis by realizing that the paralysis is me. Not trying to get out of it. Trying to help it. Trying to save it. By loving it. First love it. Not first get rid of it and then love it. First love it. Love the paralysis. Please. And I will try to love it too. Yes?

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I think I just started maybe hearing love in a new way. You started what? Hearing the word love. Or usually when I hear the word love, there are a lot of ways. It's really something that's positive. Can I say something? Part of the confusion here is that One of the ways we use love is for extreme liking. Like when liking gets extreme, we call that love. I like you, I love you. It's like, but what I'm calling love, I'm sorry, is not extreme like. It's extreme freedom from like and dislike. So that's part of the confusion. But I'm kind of like, well, let's deal with the confusion by using the same word instead of trying to define it. Compassion is nice, but it might avoid this problem. And love does not want to avoid any problems. So let's use a confusing word like that that's really excessive delusion is what people often use love for.

[14:44]

Excessive distraction from love is what people call love often. So let's use that word. I actually like it very much for that reason. And what I heard, and I sort of felt, but I couldn't grasp it, you helped me grasp it, was it's really, really, really permission to be present, to love the paralysis, to love the frame. It's permission really to relax and be present. And it's permission for the thing that you're relaxed with to be itself. It's permission to the paralysis. It's like, hey, paralysis, I'm supporting you completely and you're supporting... You're not supporting me, but I'm supporting you. Okay. Anybody that hasn't asked a question that wants to ask a question? You haven't asked a question? Go ahead. Something that I associate with the word love is a feeling of physical warmth and openness in my chest.

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Is that love the way you're talking about love, or is that an extreme liking? That's a frame. That's a frame. A frame to love. Love that warmth, and do you say a feeling of openness? Love that feeling of openness. But then when I think, okay, am I loving or not, my way of judging that is... That's another thing to love. That ratiocination, am I really loving or not? That's another thing to love. That's another thing to be generous towards. That's another thing to give yourself to. That's another thing to be a good host to. That's another thing to welcome. And if that drops away, that particular questioning process drops away, and just you get more and more warmth and openness keeps coming, just say, welcome. You say, well, no problem. But welcome means welcome. It doesn't mean welcome and stay.

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It means welcome. And then when it starts to go, you say, you can go. It's been great seeing you. I may never have another moment with all this warmth again, but I'm so grateful that I had a little bit. See you later. And more comes. Wow. But some doesn't come for a while. But that's fine for you because you've got this practice. So, yeah, these are frames that you're talking about. And literally those are frames that the Buddha talks about being mindful of. Those frames would go under the third frame of mindfulness or the fourth, those examples. Both the warmth, the openness, and also the cogitation, those would all go into things, into ways that the mind frames this vast, unobstructed totality of the universe. And if you love all these things, Not like, but love them.

[17:57]

They are perfectly good doors to reality. But if you attach to them and think, now these are better doors to reality than most, sorry, attachment is not compassion. But again, if you're attached, you can be compassionate towards that, and then that loving of that attachment will be a Dharma door. It's not just the thing, it's the loving of it that makes it a Dharma door. Being present is not a frame, no. You can have a frame called being present, but being present is not a frame. Consciousness itself comes with frame jobs. Every moment consciousness arises, it comes with a frame job. But the consciousness itself is clear and bright and transparent. It's not a frame job, but it knows frame jobs.

[18:59]

And since it comes with frame jobs, so it sees the world through frame jobs. But there are frame jobs, which are called the teaching frame jobs, the words from the Buddha to say, be aware of this frame job. And then you turn your awareness not just to the frame, but being mindful of it. And then the framing reflects the nature of the universe back in the mind. And it's the nature of the mind and the frame. They're all the same. They all have the same nature. Unobstructed totality. In other words, everything is you. Yes? I just wanted to say, for some reason, during this talk, I'm experiencing a lot of grief over the eucalyptus trees. Catherine's experiencing a lot of grief over the eucalyptus trees. Which are going to be taken down all over this area.

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Yeah. So there's going to be clear-cutting probably of all these great trees. All these great beings are actually going to be cut down, probably. These are great beings. These are great invasive beings? And they're invasive. And these beings, they're great, they can be fuel for enormous flames. and Catherine's expressing grief over their being cut down. Pardon? I think the idea is replanting other trees, right? Yeah. Anyway, in the National Park Service's brochures about the thing, they show pictures of what it looks like after they go away, and it's kind of a nice picture.

[21:15]

But the process of getting there means cutting down these great beings, these great beings which are here by the grace and... whatever, of human beings. And they provide, and they're great blessings, these trees. And a lot of people feel like they're also great hazards. So it looks like they're going to be cut down. And part of what we're going to do today, maybe, is to clean up the debris underneath them out here so that we don't have a forest fire in the backyard, because I guess they're not going to come into our yard and cut down these trees. So our eucalyptuses, I think, are staying. I mean, our eucalyptus means no abode's eucalyptuses, I think, are staying as far as I know. Park Service is not going to come onto this ground and cut the trees down, so we will be a eucalyptus stronghold.

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So-called private property? Huh? So-called private property, yeah. They would be willing, I think, to come and take these out, but I did not invite them. I hope it's okay that they're not coming here. Are we going to get the koala bears? Huh? Are we going to get the koala bears? I have the koala bears are coming, yes. May our intentions

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