one view of the interactions between bodhisattvas or one view of the way bodhisattvas interact with each other and with other living beings is that they're trying to realize how to be together without abiding and how to use language to test and guide towards finding this non-abiding mind a perfect The Zen lineage is a lineage which involves names of people.

[01:21]

And we sometimes say that the first ancestor in the lineage in China was named Bodhidharma. The second one's name is huika, dazhu huika. The third one is, what's his name, his name's, sungsa. So in Japanese we say, Bodai Daruma, and Taiso Eka, and Kanchi Sosan. So Sosan is, I think, Tsung Sa, the third ancestor. And we say that he, actually people say he was a leper. The third ancestor of Zen was a leper.

[02:24]

Isn't that amazing? So he was not like out and about much, kind of hidden away. But he found a successor, a great successor who wasn't a leper, so he didn't have to hide out. And his successor was what we call the fourth ancestor. Anyway, the third ancestor, he's accredited with a long poem. For now, I thought maybe I would just point out that part of the poem says, if there is even a hair's breadth difference, It is as the distance between heaven and earth.

[03:32]

So that supposedly, that poem is supposedly the origin of that expression. If there's a hair's breadth difference, a hair's breadth difference, that little bit of difference can be like the distance between heaven and earth. And so there's different possible differences that we could be talking about.

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