we had one class already this is a second class
and can you hear me okay
we had one class already
this is the second class
and also want to note that there was outstanding questions from allan the right
the that hopefully
and
i want to read the course description
i want to pay my respects to the course description
it says zen meditation on the body
the system other things which can skip by thank and it says thorough attention
and compassionate care of the body their attention of the body
a are essential for the realization of wisdom and freedom of the buddha's this series of classes will offer ways of working with and understanding the body
that are enlightening and liberating
so like to edit that a little bit
and say ah
when i said thorough attention
that goes with this class will offer ways of working with the body
the offer ways of giving thorough attention to the body
but another way to say it is this i will i will offer
ways of imagining the body
ways of using the attention to imagine the body
which may be liberating
may be enlightening and liberating
i also
i'm open to and will offer
ways of take king compassionate care of the body which reminds me to ask you now
ah if you would like me during the sitting to come around and make some suggestions to you
in hopes are promoting your thorough attention to your body
and if you do not want me to
the way i do that usually as i look at you with and i also sometimes
make us feel your back and make a suggestion to your posture your back and neck sometimes your arms and hands so if you don't want me to do that
please let me know you can let me know right now by raising your hand that you don't want me to do it you can also may be ah if i come around
and i touch your back new home and or just raise your hand are more touch you
more
also i could offer instruction why you're doing walking meditation also
this instruction
and you as you i hope you'll see quite soon this will be something physical from me
a sense or from the environment which includes me a touch or perhaps a sound from me to touch your body
to help you understand your body
that's my intention anyway i hope it i hope that what i'm offering will in the long run help you understand your body
by that correct understanding
that's my aspiration
i propose which i think i propose last week that normal living beings
you know almost everybody really what they
it's what they think their body is what they what they experienced their body as is not really an experience of their body it's more like a perception of their body when most people know as their body is their perception of their body
but what people perceive as their body is actually their imagination of their body
did i say something like that last week
so this is a rather strange thing to say to people because lot people think
they don't imagine their body but i'm suggesting that the body we we know
is when we imagined the body we imagine i'm not saying that's our body that's an aspect of our body
and i'll go into that more to later one of the aspects of our body is
the knowable aspect which is the imaginary aspect
the way our body is
in its basic way he's not in appearance is not an image we don't know it even though it supports all of our fantasies about it
so i will
try to be trying to help you in a sense of reimagine your body in a way that will liberate you from your imagination of your body because most people believe their imagined body is the real body
in other people's in their imagination of other people's body is the real body and their imagination of their own mind is their mind and their imagination of other people's minds is their mind and that that's a mistake that we make naturally
and by rate by certain instructions we can reimagine things so it become free i'm believing that what we think other people are is what they are and what we think we are is what we are
it's not this is not to exactly refute that but sort of
refute that means refute or belief that what we think of each other is what each other our
so this pops in my mind as image of
when the truth fills your body and mind
you realize that something's missing
when the to doesn't fill your body and mind you think you understand
sufficiently
most people think they understand sufficiently they think well i'm me and you're you and what i think i am is what i am in what to think you are as what you are
that's what you think that's what it's like when you dont want to doesn't feel you when it does for you you consider the possibility that
maybe other people aren't just what you think they are
and then images of
the ocean when you got in the ocean away from the shore where there's no islands and you look at the ocean the ocean looks like a circle of water
that's where it looks by the ocean is not a circle of water
it's much it's you know
it's infinite basically
but it looks it looks like a circle water to our perceptions
nix the ocean and our experience in the ocean is also infinite
except we also have another version of our experience of the ocean which is our imagination of our experience of the ocean and that's a that's a circle of water in the infinite in the infinity of our experience of the ocean are experiencing art the ocean the oceans experience of us is our life
it's inconceivably vast
and ungraspable but it is our life and so this is about
how to realize our actual life are inconceivable life which supports us to make our life conceivable
our inconceivable life does not stop us
from imagining that our life is conceivable
it lets us be conceive ers
but also i in consumed the life says
ha touches us and
and when it touches us are some stress between are inconceivable life and our conceptual version of our life and that struck stress can motivate us to try to understand
the totality of our life
i would like now too
start talking about the dependent core rising of living beings bodies
i would also like to talk about the dependent core rising a buddhist bodies
i'll start with the dependent core arising of living beings bodies which i talked about last week but
maybe i'll talk about it again now
one thing i said last week which which i'll say again i think i will anyone
what can you say it i just i changed my mind but i got to go ahead and say what i set out gonna say the structure
of the inconceivable causal arising of our consciousness
the way our consciousness actually arises is inconceivable and yet i'm going to give your concept of it
i'm gonna give your concept of the structure of this it inconceivable thing is it possible that an inconceivable thing could have a structure i think so
the structure of the inconceivable thing is not
the inconceivable thing is just a is just a story about it but it might be helpful so the structure of the inconceivable process by which our body arises is
the structure is the reciprocal relationship
between what between
the body of sense organs
the body as sense organs or the sensor sensitive by the sensitive body
the
the other sensitive body
if the reciprocal relationship between the sensitive body the responsive body the sense organs and
sense data for he i don't under that worked to say sensible data
is the word sensible is spelled the same way when you use it for toughness sensible and something you consensus dispel the same way
ha what
i'd i mean sensor yes but i also mean sensible sensory data
ah and sensible data
and i mean sensuous body
sensuous body and sensible data
the reciprocal relationship between those
is a dependent core arising of the body
and it's also the dependent car arising of consciousness
this so the structure of the dependent quarter rising up of the of the inconceivable body
and the conceivable body
is the reciprocal relationship between sensitive tissue the tissue which is not living on tell it is touched by sensible
data
a body that kit that can be sensitive is not alive until it is touched
is not yet alive but when the body is touched
and it responds
that's consciousness
so the panic or arising of consciousness and the dependent core arising of sense
data or sensory data and the sensible body are simultaneous
an interdependent
the third to say that data sensible but it's not being sensed you could say that but
that's that's that
you see potentially you know potentially electromagnetic radiation of a certain wavelength can be sensible but when it's not sensed he doesn't really data
lecter magnetic radiation isn't data until it touches something that beats it
i think i suggests that to you
you can argue with me if you want and the body that hasn't been touched is not a living body
when the body is touched
in response
to this data and data also isn't just the data's like knocking on the door
it sang please give me some attention please respond to me
and the body says hello who are you that the sense the sensitive bodies as who and that interaction is actually called the door
of the arising of consciousness so those three come up together and none of the three
do the censoring
by themselves
we usually don't think that light does the sensing of white of color
we don't usually think that and i were that's correct the doesn't but we do sometimes some people do think that that the i sensitivity that high organ that it does the seeing but it doesn't some people think the i consciousness which arises when i sensitivity is touched by the high data the i sense
data that that consciousness is what knows but it doesn't it's the three of them together that's the knowing of for example color
that's the proposal
and that it and the way they do that although i just told you the structure of the way they do that is inconceivable
the actual way you know that that happens cannot be grasped
and that supports the arising of consciousness and the consciousness that are right this arises that way it's a consciousness which can imagine
which can image and humans of course car really amazingly gifted at imagining but other animals can imagine to
like the animals that live with us particularly dogs and cats it's really easy to to imagine that they're imagining like they seem to imagine that they own certain things they seem to imagine that they need you sometimes and don't other times
they seem to imagine that your idea of what you'd be going on is not good
they seem to i imagine that they do
hmm
yeah what i imagine i imagine that sometimes they have nightmares this is my imagination actually cats and dogs like us are basically inconceivable mysteries
but said jinping's like cats dogs and humans are addicted to knowing and they've got equipment to support the addiction
which is the imagination the imagination can make anything
noble to feed the the knowing addiction the grasping addiction which is based on past knowing
okay that's us that's the structure of the pentagon arising of the body
and if you look at the structure of it if you accept that structure perhaps you can see how the body that arises by that interaction is ungraspable
have you can't get the body separate from the data because the body suffer from the data isn't a living body
and it isn't a conscious body and you can't get the consciousness floating hot separate from the body or separate from the things that are touching from the body the consciousness is inseparable from the physical world of data and the physical world of sensitivities
you can't get ahold mind the world the physical data world or the physical sense
capacities worlds and actually those three worlds are not separate worlds they come together to make a living being and the living being is basically not a world either the living being is inconceivable being
who can imagine a world
and so most of us can imagine a world
and in that world we have trouble birth and death
i'm
presidential elections
fiscal cliffs
ah
debt crises
poverty
many things or all of our problems exist in the imagined world which is possible because of this consciousness which is totally inseparable from this body which is inseparable from the consciousness and inseparable from the world which is dancing with
that's a story of the pinnacle rising of the body a sense of sensitive body the sensuous body of a living being
when i also used the word reciprocity the reciprocity
a body
sense data
and consciousness that reciprocity
is is the basic reality
of our life that's our basic life
can now here's another imagination thing
this is an image
a bunch of images
the mountains and rivers
of the immediate present
where i've said again the mountains and rivers of the immediate pre conceptual present
are the manifestation of the path
of the ancient borders
and path could also be said practice
the mountains and rivers of the immediate present are the manifestation of the practice of the borders
the mountains and rivers which are
dancing with us right now the berkeley mountains and maroon county mountains and the sierra nevadas and
the himalayas all the mountains of the world
and all the waters of the world right now
our
touching us
touching her bodies
and the way they're touching our bodies in the way we're receiving them in responding to them they do not not just as a touch us
but we received them we respond we we are moved by them
and that interaction is our
mind and that whole thing is our experience in the immediate present in the way that works that is the practice of borders buddhas are practicing in accord with the way things are happening for living beings buddhas or the way life has actually happening the practice of the buddha's is the is the
the living
living beings
art
dreaming about the way they're actually living and the where they're dreaming is the world of suffering
this instruction is coming from the the buddha's who helped
realized the freedom from this dream and have they haven't destroyed the dream because that would destroy sentient beings buddhas are not destroyers their educators
and they have been educated by buddhist they've been taught how to
be kind to the world have imagined bodies
and realized the inconceivable world of the way the bodies are actually
relating with the mountains in the rivers
and other words they've they've learned how to enter the practice of the buddha's
so this is like this story starts to cross over into the dependent core arising a buddhist bodies
buddhist bodies
buddha's buddhas
manifest
a body
and awakened living beings that way saying it is buddhist manifest a body some ancient teacher said buddhist manifesta body and awakened beings
but the zen ancestor dogan says buddha buddha is manifest a body and awaken living beings means
that the awakening of living beings is itself the manifestation of buddha's body
see there's a dependent core rising of buddha's body and waking up sentient beings it isn't that buddhists have a body
and then that body awake as sentient beings it's that buddha's body is
when we wake up
when we awaken that's
that's buddha's body
buddha's manifest a body and awakens sentient beings yes
but really buddhist manifest the body as are awakening
huh
we awaken now
when july two
realize that
abrupt as you say would you like to realize that
i would like you to
i sent him beings are
i'm not fully awakened to that
being awakened and right now
because they are addicted to the world of imagination
but if we're kind to the world of imagination
will will cure teachings which will help us to be continue to be kind to the world of imagination
and also a here teachings were to tell you tell us
this is the world imagination hello
and one of the ways to be kind to the world of imagination
is to be kind to the imagination of your body and one of the ways to be kind to imagine as your body is to sit upright
and stand upright and walk upright
it's a kindness said you can do for your body
and
and you also can be kind by being patient with
any difficulties you might have and sitting upright standing upright and walking upright
and be patient with other people's difficulties and sitting upright standing upright and walking upright
and be generous towards your body
by giving it the gift of
of giving it attention
which can sponsor at sitting upright
and so on and being careful of it
like you know many people i've seen it just a wonderful how carefully are when they're taken care of little babies
are sick people
really careful and and and we can be more careful
like people are i can just read an article by desert this indian writer were some of you know he i think he's the one who are he recently wrote an article about
why cheesecake factory is so successful
you know
you know this mat is like mcdonald's in a way except he says he went in there and he said the food was really good
they've they've really got up system of checks and saw on a training method by which they can really take good care of the customers and the ingredients and cooking and so on and he also an article long time ago but i think it was him
he writes off for the new yorker about checklists in icu you in icu units and how having check this really helps not make mistakes in the icu anybody read the article
and without a checklist people overlook stuff it's you know is very fast paced therein lots of details but having a checklist really helps
also with your posture having a checklist helps
so you said it's good to check in a higher
sitting bones are sitting on whatever they're sitting on
it be careful of that and and when you sit down like that's a major
caregiving opportunity
every time you sit you can do that and same when you're standing how you put your feet down is a caregiving opportunity which you can give a lot of attention to every time and then when you're walking every step
recently i've made my daughter made a contract with me to come and take care of her little baby girl on monday afternoon so she can study site she she's pretty light and actually ways but eighteen power
ons and i put her in a pack in front of me and we go for a walk in san francisco
and
usually when you i usually do that when it's time for her take a nap
and then she slid a crabby so she doesn't like do to get into the pack and she fusses little bit but with her mother's it it assistance i can get her into the pack once again the pack she completely she's perfectly happy and a caught kong's out very fast
so then we walk she and i her asleep for our so if she wakes up usually towards the end and looks up of man
and fartlek the sky and the treason
but i'd brought this up because when i'm walking with her
she helps me partly because she's in the front she helps me or come my posture
i really if i don't take care my posture i will given my body i will i will be very uncomfortable so i keep i stand up quite strict i have to stand up court really straight with this weight in the front of me imagine that
i could put in the back but i likes watching her sleep and wake up and stuff
i have a weight vest that i sometimes wear when i climb the mountains of green gulch which weighs twenty two pounds as much easier to carry that than seventeen pounds in the front
i went to give to be twenty five thirty and so on i'll really have to stand up straight
i'll probably be almost bending over backwards which actually is for me really good
after doing this walk i am pretty much in nirvana very happy i just love doing it and but parlor is i love doing is because it wouldn't love doing if i didn't take her in my body
my imagined body my imaginary body my imaginary i don't know about my other when it or know how to take care of it i don't know how to take care of it
care of the practice of the buddha's
except by entering
once you're in the practice the booty don't really have to take care of it meets are like it's spontaneous
a doctor is that could take care of the way or relating to the whole universe with all universe is really you just gotta get in there were and you're already there
so we had to take care of art
cognitive processes which alienated from our perfect enlightenment practice
and if we take care of them
we touch and are touched by that room which is never apart from us right where we are right
so
checklist
be careful of how you put your sitting bones on where you're sitting you're standing bones where you're standing standing standing ones are sometimes called feet if you're doing handstands they're cold hands if you doing elbows stands their elbows what you're standing on anyway careful attention to it
and then make your back
make your back
what make you back what make your back or should you do with your back
give it attention
and imagine it what imagine it
what
yes
aligned aligned with maybe the earth or gravity
aligned in a way that's balanced and the least stressful maybe which takes some time to find
but for me when i'm carrying a little girl in front of me the least stressful is definitely operate leaning forward really hurts me
if if she was on my back it would be easier not to say i wouldn't be quite so painful and and not stand up straight so for me aligning
i'm looking for up on
yeah
most comfortable way in a way it's i takes effort to find it and take care of it but the effort is really more comfortable than being lazy for me and then i also links in the back of a neck when i said that's not a check list thing so that this part of my head back my head as
higher
i had sort goes down a little bit when this parts higher as straightens the back of my neck we kind of broaden my neck and not gonna do this because i am blessed with a body that likes that
my buddy
does not like
being in not good posture
so for example leaning back and chairs isn't even comfortable for me so
so i'm encouraged not to mean back into as but to sit upright and chairs and then the front of the face coming down the head we keep the eyes open
so we can
so we can see our fantasies a friend or fantasy relationships for the world we can see all the beings were devoted to we keep our nose open we breathe through our nose we were we were sitting we close your mouth gently i would say at this time with our tongue on the roof of her mouth
relax in front of her body
and we put our hands in this cosmic murderer
and place it against our abdomen for can blow our naval so these are states or checklist things to take care of and then taking care of them
carefully and gently not forcing this don't force the checklist to the checklist in a gentle way
so i asked why i said maybe up for this class i should i should offer might be nice to offer some encouragement
for you to be
kind to your body when you're sitting
whelp
again the to panic are rising the buddha's is the buddhist are not functioning buddhas
i should say they're not manifesting buddhist they don't have a body
here they don't have a body
except when the bodies can relationship to living beings
so their bodies not their body is not be in the realm of imagination we're living beings live there free of the imagination is not inside or outside of that but the the body of buddha response to the cry
to the call
now of
of living beings who are living within
cosmic consciousness
and when they respond the enlightening process starts and that that process is the body of the buddha
manifesting through that relationship
i feel like i'm
although ellen is not raise your hand right now i would like to pretend that she just asked a question
about this thing thinkers i think you i think you are saying last week something like when in them in the realm of the our imagination of our body and our imagination of our bodies relationship with other bodies in that realm
ah we have frequently
frequently arises that there's some anxiety
that our imagination is is that were separate from other other bodies were separate from our environment and in that imagination system in that imagination pattern there is affliction
an a form of anxiety
and i think allen said that she felt that that anxiety which is a mental phenomena can be a sensation
and i wonder if you say a bit more about how you how you imagine that
anxiety which arises within our imagination of our body for example how that can also be a sensation can you say something about that

did you say you experience anxiety of what
your honor other people's
your own how about other people's
okay
so i was thinking about that today
but how anxiety could become the touch
and here's where i imagined this is my imagination right
so i said this before but i'm minute detail over the bit more
now i could before i said the consciousness arises from the interaction of synch sensuous body hence and sense data
that's how consciousness arises so consciousness is really those three together those three actually what it actually says when those three touch the touch between nursery if the initiation of
conscious life which means the body comes alive
consciousness is there so the consciousness is alive and
is the saturday data alive we usually don't say this sense data is alive but it's inseparable from our life
so as the day a little bit like consent state is like god life to sort of cousin is it possible they will be some sense data without life while there it's not sense data than it would be
material that's not data so we're not sure you together we have the basic dependent quarter rising of consciousness and in the consciousness then there can be imagination
conceptual activity going on
another detail of this dependent or arising as that this consciousness when it arises with the body
when i said and then there can be imagination this body this basic consciousness which arises with the body that the way it happens is inconceivable and that basic consciousness is not exactly inconceivable it's just not active consciousness
it's a consciousness which isn't really active it's like which is sometimes would call when we are sometimes would call
unconscious
but we're not talking about unconscious rock we're talking about an unconscious being other words we're talking about
the unconscious or the unconscious mind yeah
rock talking about it the unconscious of a living being that unconscious
ah that unconscious is the results of past karmic activity
and that results of past economic activity sponsors the arising a present karma your activity in which we can imagine and expand then give rise to anxiety
that imagination and the anxiety then touch or we say actually ah permeate or perfume the consciousness which is living with the body the cotton are active consciousness is also living with the
body but it imagines it's it can imagine it's separate or can imagine that it's together but it thinks it thanks to realistically about what it doesn't have a dualistic relationship with
like everything
it doesn't have a dualistic relationship with anything but it imagines that it does was almost everything
that again is the source of anxiety that misconception is the source of our holder all of our afflictions
that consciousness which gives rise which supports anxiety which in which anxiety flu that consciousness
touches
transforms
the consciousness which supports it
and the consciousness again the supports it is both is living with the body which is living with the world and that ah
and the results of our cognitive activity of are imagining
has two sections of consciousness one section of consciousness if the shared part of the results of our imagining if the shared part of our anxiety and that is the sense data world and then there's a unshared part
which is
our sense capacities
so both are actually in this system in the system are the actual thing as touching us
the physical world is touching us is a results of our mental activity the physical world is touching us this is actually alive
and it is and it is the part of our consciousness which was share
so are all of us may kind of like make contributions to a shared consciousness which is the which is the which is the universe of sensible data
and all of us make contributions to individual
consciousness
which is connected to our sense organs and those two realms of consciousness support our active consciousness
so in that way i can imagine how the activities of a comic consciousness of the of the imaginative consciousness which arise based on this consciousness which arises with the body and then sponsors this imaginary consciousness i can imagine that the things they're actually touch
the mind and may touch the mind to the sense organs and through sense data which can touch the sense organs so i can imagine him
hey babe basically a twofold touching of our anxiety to our body in our world so when you have an experience of anxiety you transform the physical world
which is an aspect of our shared it's our shared cock harsher and activity it's our shared physical world
and also your current year i say you i mean your anxiety also transforms
your own your own consciousness which is connected to your own sense organs
so that's an that's this is a this is something to imagine and i i did it today
in relationship to what helen said and i'm just
imagining
that's what i was doing nothing more
but i'm
i am i imagining is
been coordinated with imagining i've done it passed in response to what had a to read it and studying buddha's teachings about the arising a mind and body together with the world and the arising of com of active imagining consciousness
with the body mind world horizon
so and any imagination here is
thank you very much only for that
and i and i hear a sponsor anybody or what he wants to work try to do that imagination thing again per else
the system

ah
the awakening to the buddha body one one road to it
is to hear this teaching that
the everything we know
all we know is just
mental construction is just ideas that teaching
ah
which which you're hearing and have heard that teaching you understand somewhat but to actually enter that teaching
is possible bite
giving he got compassionate care to your imagination of your body and can measure compassionate care to your imagination
of anxiety and of the thing and how anxiety arises caring for all that
allows you to actually enter into understanding
what you're thinking about and entering into the mountains and rivers
you know right now before you the mountains and rivers or before or inconceivably supporting the world which your mind is creating the uncreated world you can which is already there sponsor year created a creative activities
in the terms of imagination you enter that world
by no longer holding on to your a conceptual world but the only way to not hold onto your conceptual world is by being really kind to it with the aid of these teachings
because if you just kind to you can you can be kind to it but i don't think you're gonna be able to
see it's emptiness without somebody telling you about it beforehand
because it's emptiness is in our face all the time and we don't see it but in fact with the teaching and the teachings of compassion towards
the world of substance
we can wake up to the world of the insubstantial role which is which is there all the time with us
so the boot away like elaine elena said when when can we realize is we can realize it right now right now it's right here but we have to give up
for example belief in time and space past and future you and me and
i said that to you and i heard myself say it so i'm actually i aspire to do that i'm i'm up for that but i have to be really kind to actually give it up
they've given up
this entry into what's already here
when there is a dream
partners are interested
how that manifests karmic consciousness
pure consciousness our shared individual consciousness i'm just wondering
princess perfumers in manifest itself
when when the when the anxiety manifests itself it created perfume yes and so and waiting
is there a summer
works

the awakened person
his teaching dharma
is teaching the people who are in cosmic consciousness
the waking person is sending a message which is sang which is not saying anything and it's kind of saying let go but it's not saying it words it's silently say let go of your beliefs
it's saying that but not in language and when it touches the person who has
imagine imaginative capacity that person turns if it's a human that person turns this touch into a word image like
everything you know it's just conscious construction
but it it the awakened person's not thinking that
but the weight and person that past probably didn't think that and studied that and realized that and when they realized that part of the realization was to let go of thinking that
not
i'm not completely enlightened person like you and me when you understand this teaching you actually enter into you can you actually entered the understanding that this this realm that reminds creating this is just our imagination you enter into understanding that and then on
all the practices of compassion which you did now you do spontaneously but you still have the idea of the practices
but you know that your idea of them is not them you don't hold your idea of them as them and that makes it much easier to practice them
and and you're free of the anxiety of believing you're conscious constructions are more than that
so you're all the practice which led you to realization are not completely on are more and more completely unhindered
and you're even letting go of your of the teaching you that you understood the concept of a teaching you understood
after doing that and and and an order to fully make all the virtues which benefit beings we have to keep
interacting with the images of imagination
from this understanding
so when you first and when you first enter into understanding
you still have lots of
when he caught lots of the lots of effects of past imaginings that are supporting your life still
so still images are still rising
due to pass imagining supported by past imagine images are still arising and these images have still have this power which is saying would you please believe this is something more than image and with this understanding you say i really appreciate the offer but let me just say is or a neck and do for you
i'm i'm probably not gonna i'm not going to go along with this unless you really need me to and i don't think you do and the image says you're right and then
more than any india and that was taken care of and understanding if deeper so the the deepening of the understanding continues until the all the bases
for the arising of consciousness are completely transformed into wisdom
and so the when a complete transformation wisdom occurs it has no basis anymore
for a body
and no in and there's no basis for the for the arising of of consciousness for that being when the when the world and and am
the sense organs interact as know there's no basis there anymore
there's not there's no duality there's no interaction
and that perfect enlightenment teach us the beings who are still involved in this dance and and don't yet understand it
yes marianne

would you say again individual consciousness

she said are you saying that individual consciousness only exists in the presence of sensory data
get some just a second
hum
hi i'm just thinking of a special case now okay
hi i'm trying to think i'm think i'm crazy give a couple of a case where you have individual consciousness and know sensory data
i'm we can definitely have individual consciousness which is not about sensory data
kate like we can be in a realm of consciousness where you're not thinking about anything to do with the body so we definitely have that
however in order for there to be that the body has to be alive
in order for the body to be alive they're still must be some ah interaction between it
and the and the sense that there has to be some sensory interaction however the consciousness the active consciousness which arises
ah and can imagine things that
yeah that
yeah i think i think the body has to be alive
but the there even are special sense consciousness is where the consciousness is not at all aware of the physical world
in the sense of it's not imagining the physical world anymore
but the the body of the person who's not imagining the physical world
in the in terms of like people and buildings and and day and night they're not doing that at all
the body is still up extra in exchange with it's environment
it still it's too
in touch is still being touched and responding but there's no
there's no active consciousness of it there's no there is consciousness but it's not actively imagining and part of this teaching is coming from
a phenomena which is a a a type of concentration which yogis had found in india a long time ago and still some some may be able to do it
where you actually enter into a state of concentration where you're not imagining a world like this at all
and that follows where there's no physical data at all in the consciousness and that follows from another state of coach of concentration where you're imagining physical data but it's not like people and cadillacs and hamburgers and united states and russia it's more like
blue
just blew or just green
just one color
and there's nothing there's no differentiation or aren't you know the gross gross things like
like we usually see and then that leads to being able to actually be awake and aware but not see any colors or smells or tastes or touches or sounds
that one can actually enter into a state where you actually turn off sensation and feeling
and people entered into that state
and then came out of it and people yogis were wondering how can we be how could the person continue to be alive
if they turned off their active consciousness so active individual consciousness
can actually be turned off
and not have it in even in that case there's still life
so there must be another kind of consciousness which is very basic
which supports all kinds of active consciousness and even supports when active conscious has become so refined that it can turn off sensation and feeling and then all the other gradations of active consciousness are all sponsored by this kind of consciousness which is living with the body
and the body is in a sensuous relationship however is sensuous relationship is actually
with the consequences the world that is the world that that's
the physical sense world is actually ah yeah it's it's responding to the results
of living beings living beings provide living beings with data to be touched by and living beings
supply themselves with bodies and when as biased so i would say now that you're asked a question i would say
to be alive means that were our body is sensible sensuous interacting with a sensible world and that there's a consciousness there and then that's basic and people in comas i like that
people with brain damage
as and certain special yogic states you're alive your body's worn it's responding to the environment
there's consciousness but there's no active consciousness
but when there's active consciousness there's always as basic situation which is there even when there isn't active consciousness so your question was originally can there be individual consciousness
and i thought you meant individual active consciousness where you're imagining like those thursday night and berkeley
yes there must be ah the body must be cooking
that about somewhere in the neighborhood of ninety eight point six in our case my actually my body temperature is ninety seven point four usually
and if i if i buy a temperature is too low there will be no
there will be no consciousness and no active consciousness but when i have active consciousness there's this basic bodily dance going on with the universe which is inconceivable and there's a consciousness which is based on the inconceivable dance and that supports my usual active consciousness into my usual act
consciousness is where i'm imagining the practice and trying to practice because that's the realm that i'm stuck in that's the realm where all the problems are so i would like to liberate this consciousness to enter into this inconceivable reality and show others how to do it too
is that like somewhat clear as was there another hand raised
yeah oh hello

since sensory data
so
if the tree ball
he's very period it's not such data
and what qualifies as somebody being there to period because
prices somebody
know cat dog is there
somebody yeah
ads is after the tree falls on
what your what point is it
when there's when there's a sensuous body
there since data there's no set a sensuous body does not been touched i i called i call a dead body
but if if there's a sensuous body and i'll i'll include plants
if if it if it's responding
then i will say
the the
the tree was in the tree did false for that sense it for that sense sensuous relationship
i heard you know i often talk arnold's is true but i heard a story about the does the finest
roots of a redwood tree was real like maybe one or two ourselves thick tentacles coming off the roots of the redwood trees
they sometimes touch each other
you know
and and and one one becomes the stimulus for the other and simultaneously the other one becomes a stimulus they're both stimulating each other they're both living roots but the one experiences the other one as sense data
so for me you are sense data from my sensuous body and i'm sense data for your sensuous body so i'm in this world i'm a i'm sense data for you this emphasis i'm a physical
you know i'm i'm a physical stimulant to your sensitive body and vice versa
and i see you because you're you're living being who can who can come to me in these in these material sensitive ways so he's also diesel tip touch each other and they can not a touch
and and tell it they're touching but they can also tell whether the that very thin law route is from the same tree that they come from or not because other trees are also sending our roots and they can tell this one's from the same trunk as me in this one isn't
so they can when there's a touch they can get into same indifferent
somehow there's some kind of consciousness there
but some other people say that no plants don't have psychological problems even if they have consciousness so there's some debate about that which you know i'd be happy to
you know talk to you about and imagine with you about this is all for me open for imagination and i'm proposing that that's where our problems exist you know and now you know we we have this political imagination that we'd been involved which has been very stressful for some people
and
i feel like i really like to try to think about that in a way that would help people be liberated
without trying to get rid of it
to engage it with compassion and use it as an opportunity for liberation
well thank you for imagining the body with me tonight
now i know you will continue to imagine your body without my being in your presence please be please imagine with great compassion and i will continue with your next week if you come please do if you can thank you very much