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Embodied Wisdom Through Koan Drama

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This transcript discusses a pedagogical method where participants enact a Zen koan, specifically involving the figures of Master Deshan and Yanto, to explore various interpretations and understandings of the text. This role-playing exercise aims to deepen comprehension by allowing individuals to embody different interpretations and negotiate meanings collaboratively within their groups, acknowledging that actors' renditions may deviate from their personal understanding to present a cohesive narrative.

  • Koan Involving Master Deshan and Yanto: The central text revolves around an episode involving these figures in a Zen context, probing the appropriateness of actions and understanding within the narrative.
  • Role of Director and Actors: The seminar highlights the interaction between directors and actors, emphasizing the balance between directorial interpretation and actors' personal renditions in exploring the koan.
  • Interpretation Variability: The enactment approach centers on allowing different interpretations and adaptations, enhancing the exploration of the koan’s multiple layers and meanings.

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Side: A
Speaker: Tenshin Reb Anderson
Location: Green Gulch Farm
Possible Title: BK of Serenity Case 55
Additional text: MASTER

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And in that group would be the major players, Master Deshan, ,, and the ,, the attendant, and the narrator, and the director. And . what I thought we would do now is break up into these groups and have the groups go into different parts of this room and some people can go outside on the deck. Probably better not to go back in the crowd hall because somebody might be going to sleep early or something. And don't make too much noise while you're rehearsing. I'd like you to enact this, enact this this story. There's a little bit of a problem.

[01:03]

Usually in a theatrical production, the director has, I don't know, I guess usually predominates over prevails over the actors sometimes in terms of interpretation, but actors do have something to say, and sometimes directors give them room to interpret and even ad lib. I think that in this particular case, there might be some debate over how to play different parts and what's going on. Usually, the way this is done, each individual would present their understanding of the story. And I still think there's room for that, but...

[02:06]

It could be a one-on-one thing where I talk to each one of you one at a time and ask you those questions and question you about the different parts of the koan. That could happen too, either one-on-one or one-on-one in front of everybody, which is another variation on it that I thought of. But I thought it would be better to start with this enactment first. And so what I thought might be possible is to get together in these groups and discuss how you're going to play it. And it might be that it's played slightly differently than you think is according to your understanding. So some people might have to give up their understanding of what's going on at the various points in the story so that you could present something. you might do that. And that could take a long, long time.

[03:11]

But I thought maybe it could be just part of the class that you could do that. And then we could have some performances in the latter part of the class. So the director would be the director and maybe would have some sense of commenting on how the people are coming across. So that one thing is agreeing on what is the message in each actor's action. That would take some time. And then also, how well are the actors conveying what they want to convey? That's another thing which the director and the other actors can comment on. The jisya, the attendant, I thought, could be kind of a free agent, could just, you know, could just go in and, you know, do the thing which is to call Yantok to Darshan, but the jisya could do a lot of other things too, depending on how you might think the jisya would behave in the presence of this event.

[04:26]

So anyway, I thought of some other variations on this, but I thought this was the simplest, to try the simplest way first. So how are you feeling about this? Are you up for this? Yes? Well, so if everybody has different interpretations, should I find out who we are more slowly? If, let's say, everybody had a different interpretation, then you might just choose the director's interpretation and see if you can do somebody else's interpretation. Or it might be the director has a certain take on the story, and you have a very different take. And the director might give a little bit, too. But I think to try somebody else's interpretation is also part of what this is about. I think so. Any yes, Dave? I was wondering, you know, if one of the things we've been trying to do with the story is to try to understand what was said, that it was actually said in the story, but some of the dialogue was going on between these people.

[05:45]

Yes. Should we feel like we should make a decision about that in this situation? It's up to you. So... For example, we don't know exactly who told Deshan about what Yanto said. We don't know how Yanto found out about what Deshan said. You can make that a silent thing. You can just read it and have nothing, or you can actually show it in a mime form, or you can actually add dialogue. It's up to you. It's up to each group. But I wanted to know, are you up for this? Are you up for this? Yeah. So when you get together, and each group has to decide who's going to be the players, and I just guessed that maybe you'll be able to get somebody to do each part. But it's possible nobody will want to beat the director, or nobody will want to beat Deshaun, or something like that.

[06:54]

But I thought it might work out. And I thought maybe 45 minutes might be long enough, or maybe half an hour. I'll come around and check and see how you're doing. You could also, of course, rehearse this thing for days. Lifetimes. Or lifetimes, sure. But part of the rehearsal might be performance, to do some performances, and then... So that's the idea. Does anybody have any problem with this? No? OK. So what I'd suggest is we count one to six and see how many groups we get. OK? Would you care to please start? We know that one group is eight, but one of our members has to leave early. So we should . Group one. Here's the poll. One, here's the poll. Yes. Yes. Yes.

[07:56]

Wait, wait, wait. Director Sackman. Director Sackman, please. Just breathe in and out. When was at Daishon working as a rice cook, one day the meal was late.

[09:35]

Daishon came to the teaching hall holding his bowl. Daishan, there's been no bell, no drum. Where are you going with your bowl? Daishan immediately returned to his room. Xue Feng reported this to Yanto. The meal was late. Daishan came with his bowl. Daishan? The meal was late? There was no signal. Even Deshawn's so great, doesn't understand what life's worth. Deshawn has attended some of your talks. The master would like to see you now.

[10:49]

And the dog said, I follow you. I follow you. Say, Dr. Green, please. The next day when Daishan went up to the hall to speak, it was not the same as usual. Good.

[11:52]

Now the old woman understands the last word. No one will ever... Oh, my goodness. When Charlie wasn't on Bo working as a rice cook, one day he went for his plate.

[13:26]

Is that rice done yet? All right. These new monks can't even keep the fire going. Hey, old man. Where are you going with your bowl? The bell hasn't sounded. The drum hasn't sounded. The drum hasn't sounded. Hey, Charlie, what's the guy talking about there? You know, I was cooking lunch today, and Neil was late, and old Ambo, he came to the kitchen with his bowl. And, you know, so I asked him where he was going, and, you know, he just went to his room. Hey, Ambo is really losing it. They think that somehow you're kind of unraveled or something.

[14:36]

What is it? Henry's son. I'm going to request your presence immediately. Would you like to speak with him? It's not a matter of agreement. The next day, Anbo went up into the hall to speak.

[15:44]

It was not the same as usual. Yeah, yeah. Well, get some more wood.

[17:52]

It is so late. How many monasteries have I worked in? I'm really sorry. Supplies are low. I know... Oh. Hey, old man. You heard a drum? You got down? You didn't hear what we did at all. Oh. It doesn't look anything like me, what's up with that?

[18:55]

He's very anxious. Yeah. What do you want? You know what? Let's go. There's a bunch of guys out there. Lunch? Ring the bell. Do the drum roll. Okay. Everything. Lunch. All right. Oh, gee. No, so you join us for lunch? Oh, sure. Why not? We were doing lunch. It was late. I don't know if you noticed it, but lunch was late. All of a sudden, I'm doing my job. job that I know very, very well. The hell is this job?

[20:18]

All of a sudden, Deshin comes up, you know, real quietly behind me. And the next thing I know, he's standing there with Pettibo. And, you know, I got a little sick. And he looked at me and he didn't say a word. He didn't say a word. He just... He left. And... Boy, I'm disturbed. I'm just, I'm not at peace. My mind is just, I feel like I've done something wrong. It is. I wouldn't really talk like that much. Deschamps is a real great scientist, right? But the fact is, he doesn't really understand what I'm talking about. You know what I mean? laughter laughter I'm concerned and especially very concerned.

[21:22]

Well, I think he might question your teachings. He might question your complete understanding of the way. And I'm worried myself, because he's a very senior person, if you know. Just a second. Yes? Yeah, just tell me to show up here. Oh, yeah. Thank you. It's really important because they should write that message. All right. Thank you. So, brother...

[23:04]

I don't agree with it. No, I shouldn't. make our home.

[24:30]

It is rarely met with even a hundred thousand million powers. I hate to see and listen to people who defend or accept. I do not want to taste the truth without to type those words. As we think, I do shun. It's a nice call out. One day, it was lunchtime.

[26:01]

The old lady came to the hall. She said, old man, you didn't even hear the bell. You hit your ears. Where are you going with your... Too much! If you haven't understood German, take my word for it. Nobody actually understands the last word. From now on, nobody can do anything. Later on, Yanto carried out the highly recommended practice of accurately predicting his teacher's death. Thank you.

[27:32]

And if you wrote out your homework that you want to give to me, you can do that. Or if you want to keep it and revise it now, you can see more. And also, I'd love for you to come talk to me about this case. They are in tension.

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