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yes rehman show home
fearless and
skin first of all you wanted to talk about
how being fearless
and fearlessness are not the same thing
an heard you say that when it does fearlessness that i bought too much fear
and what one would enter
fearlessness and then
i'm looking at just wondering
better stories because fears on is based on studies

i didn't get the next part of your comment something about stories and that as in fear seems to be so much rooted in stories
and some that feelings if fears still seems to be a feeling
parties to be a feeling i could be
they can see what if is opened in those days when access but
which is a contraction
ha i could i could go understand it
fear is that
is a feeling on fear is isn't
is an
it's not really listed in among put psychological kind of like basic phenomenon

which is kind of surprising since the such an important thing such an important it seems to be a dharma but
there is a to dharmas which one is a fear of
blame and a fear of shame as sometimes you put that way
and fear blame such is came there and that sense fair blame means you know you're afraid it that done that other beings will blame you are on
condemn you
for some action or even for perhaps some way you are

and then the other kind of fear is fear of like feeling that you use for yourself feeling that you are not behaving on
in a way that's appropriate for you and that you you'd be afraid of
be afraid of feeling
a lack of well actually you'd be in it would be a fear that goes with self respect
did you be afraid that she wouldn't do something
did you wouldn't let you would do something you'd be afraid of how you'd feel if you did something that was not an accord of self respect
so not since there are fears recognized
but also i think fear is when when is it is the way we feel maybe when we imagine certain things in the future
so some kind of a it's a kind of here in a way to kind of a consequence
fat lot of times of imagining something in the future
it's a certain type of pain or certain type of discomfort it does disease that comes with thinking of
something in the future
so fear is a lot of fears are fears of loss
they're not so we don't even if with everybody lost something that we don't usually we're not usually afraid of that we just have some difficulty adjusting
but if we're if we're sick and we lost our health for healthy yesterday and today were sick
just being sick or having lost our health is is a different problem worried than our concern our fear that will become sick tomorrow
so far seems to be this
thing that happens to us when we imagine you oftentimes some kind of loss that hasn't happened yet
like for allied were afraid of losing our health i mean losing our life
well we have a certain level of health were afraid of losing that level of health
are we have a certain reputation may not be that good and were afraid i've even losing whatever's good about it
how we have a job by which we have livelihood were afraid of losing
our livelihood or we have a state of mind that we have somewhat adapted to and were afraid of losing that
and then the other fear is the fear of speaking in front of a large group
which is kind of like fear of what people will think of you
it's kind like fear and blame they won't they won't like what you say
so furious kind of a state
like a feeling stayed in a way that's a consequence
certain kinds of imaginations
and so then when this state arises
we have an opportunity to practice with it in such a way
as to become fearless and realize
and tonight we asked me i said something about her
that's something like being fearless is not the same as fearlessness
tonight they seem pretty similar

dead state
the fewer it's not like a if she has gone i think both being fearless and the state of fearlessness are both state where there could be fear
you know i have to set send for phrase the horse arrives before the donkey leaves
so the horse of fearlessness or the hot
being fearless arise before the fear leaves
being fearless with there's no fear is
how know it's okay but
it's not really
as wonderful as being fearless
when there's fear
so i think what i meant by fear the fearlessness is a different thing from
being fearless he's like i can like and also being fearless system is not the same as is just no fear
being fearless is
kind of the way the way we can be when there's sphere we have the potential to be fearless when their sphere like to be kind like
joyfully practicing with fear when there's sphere

i fear that seems to be
in my psyche or fear that seems to be another psyches
and i guess i was put i was thinking of is that the actual condition of fearlessness
ah it's kind of the act is kind of condition of
does the actual the actual including the
the understanding that is that there's nobody out there separate from us
but that's also kind of like being fearless because
when other people's fear is not separate from you
when you see that other people's fears and have separate from you in some sense that's part of you being fearless
i'm thinking that other people's fear or lack of it is separate from you is set up being afraid
the new that makes sense to you does it

relationship with you
it's it's a quick economists relationship with fear and also
when there is also the possibility of understanding that other beings those who are experiencing fair and those art
understanding that they're not separate not being how many caught not being on
can have been hindered by belief in the appears of separation
that also goes with fearlessness
in that situation there is no fear
so seen a slight differences it when you see when there is fear like beings are afraid
and in seeing that you're not separate from the beings
in that place where there's no feeling of separate from the suffering frightened beings in that realization of non separation there's no fear in that

a donkey's back yeah donkeys left
the just the horse
them on m
hip with other beings to maybe donkeys
and then when you look at the donkeys
and realize and and look at the
whether there's a separation between
the fearlessness and donkeys and then again you don't find the separation and there's no fear there
when you but if you'd see fear and other beings
corn yourself
and your economists with it that sets up the possibility of seeing that the separation between the look from between the manifestations of fear cannot be found and then again there's no fear there
but all the fear frightened beings are still completely
supporting the realization of no fear

yes astrid

yesterday we discuss some air force chaplains coming to bring out yes


we vowed to be open to them
data we asked me as a week we aspire to be open to all the all beings
and we promise to work on that aspiration in the bodhisattva path


so you feel you feel supportive of the person who says no
between know that i think she is is understandable appropriate
the wishes
yeah so i wish to be open to a person who says no to
don't know to or or note to to violence
but also who says i will not support violence i feel i want to be open to that person
but i don't it's kind of complicated because i might say that i wish to work for nonviolence but still today if there's violence i feel that i do support it
to say that i would i would like not to support it that's okay too but a were right now today any violence there isn't any military forces at our existing on this planet i do support them i contribute to their existence
now i may so to say i will not support them may and luca means it means maybe i will say no he means maybe i will say i disagree with this way of conducting our life i disagree with violence i don't think it helps i might say that
when someone a person may say that but still to say they're not contributing
i don't say that to say that i wish not to contribute i can say that too but still if i wish not to contribute to violence and manifest then i think i have contributed to it i did not want this war to happen i oppose it from the beginning
but when it happened i was supporting it
it couldn't have happened without my support
and part of my support was that i disagree with it and mere fact i i disagree with a lot of people
i mean i disagree with a lot of actions that people are doing even close friends
they come to me and they'd tell me if something and i disagree and then they go and do anyway
but i'm like
totally supporting them
even though i totally disagree
that's the way i that's where i think of it
and i would like and i appreciate that they were dumb tell me what they're thinking of doing so that i can have a chance to say i don't agree i i i oppose it and of course if you do this i will support it doesn't mean i like it
doesn't mean i dislike it
dependence you know
i everybody depends on me i depend on everybody
everybody's gives me my life i give everyone their life sigh i support the life i give life to all beings
i'll be you give me life
now i still want to make
ah i want my support to be beneficial that i aspire to that
but if some people are still suffering and still doing on wholesome actions
i i'm responsible for that
i guess what i i feel that way i do not feel i'm not responsible for this war
is and is horrible things i do not feel that i'm not responsible for
cruel activities in this world
maybe sometimes i i can slip into thinking that but i can i say no no no that that's not right
i'm just trying to let myself off from being a responsible guy
by limiting it and saying no no no i'm responsible for this but not for that item as not my understanding
not now my not intending i feel good about
what do you say
yeah it's overwhelming and so that's why we need to up while it's raining wiki to be fearless
to develop fearlessness
will help us open to r for full-scale of responsibility so bodhisattvas have huge openness to responsibility
and the huge vows
this huge intentions these huge aspirations a huge promises and they practice fearlessness so they can stand those promises
and then mm and eight and a course if they feel fear when they opened a huge horrible situations or even huge wonderful situations they can feel fear
and then they practice with the fear and then that makes it possible for them to live with
live with the vows of vows encouraged them to open to what frightens them
a basic suggests
and i'm making to myself into you is that to fully realize nonviolence we need to be fearless
and that's a state of fearlessness is a state of nonviolence
the realm of fearlessness
he's around nonviolence and awakening
to the way we're actually working together in harmony
but to open to that we also we need to open to our fear
doesn't make sense devaney prompt with that
can talk would you even said it all violence is based on fear
no not seen it all violence is based on fear i would say nonviolence is based on fearlessness
i'm violence isn't just the absence of violence
nonviolence is that you can even when you know are threatened with harm you can you can come back you can find a non-violent response
but what's an example of violence is not destined well sunspots
i don't think i'm a techie you have to be afraid to see the power
and the violence of a nuclear explosion on the star in the nearest star it's extremely violent
you know
has tremendous velocity and force and anything and it's way pretty much except something really even more fierce would get to know pushed pushed around quite a bit
the what would happen anything in his way of but you might as well i was violent about a violence as sentient beings violent a sentient beings
yeah by about sentient beings what sentient beings
the rams are sentient beings is is based on theory
well that's not the car wreck isn't the sentient being
you know the sentient being would be the one who intentionally drove the car into somebody road rage is violent but if you get into a car and the brakes don't work and i and then you run over somebody
just you know that the the i don't consider cars on enlightened and frightened we had this discussion with the
i guess uk was concerned about what was he was in that
he was in the t with the practice period she was concerned that mountains
you know can be enlightened or unenlightened i don't i don't see him not that enlightened i see mountains as
expressing a power of the buddha's i post the mountains are showing us the buddhist power they show us enlightenment i don't think they show us on enlightenment
yeah yeah with them up where the mountains suffer right well and i'm saying that suffering is based on being a sentient being based on ignorance
buddha's don't really suffer
they they feel pain when they see that when when their loved ones are suffering
but that pain they feel is great happiness to them it's not it's not an unhappiness it's a happiness it comes from love
but they don't suffer themselves due to
you know
due to ignorance
have a tie between a manual and pitcher
do you talk to all time to
yes a pitcher

i i agree with that
that that the route is the belief in separation
the root of fear it is as same route so i guess the question is can you can you see separation
and go directly to violence
are they usually have a fear come up with the sense of separation and so i'm proposing that maybe when the separation comes up the fears there
and then and then violence has happens but maybe as possible like just just if separation and immediately go into violence
does it two possibilities
you see that
separation believing it the appearance of separation believing it and zipped right into violence or separation believing it and fear and going to walk and going into violence and it isn't that you always go into violence when their sphere or how was going to violence when they're separate when your peers when you believe sec
russian you know it isn't always happened people aren't violent all the time
but we're at risk of it
as long as we believe in separation were at risk of violence
yes elaine
yeah there's that too
but the fear when you feel on separated is based on a belief in separation
so if you believe in separation and then and then you contemplate non separation you feel like lot you might be overwhelmed or gobbled up by the non separation
but if you didn't basically believe in separation that when frightened you you'd be you'd be okay actually with it and that's a big part of our practices to open to the prospect of no separation
and feel that fear
that would naturally come with that
that she does shows you're actually considering on separations pretty deeply when when when the basic belief is kind of scale oil may no no no
that's is related to this other player and thinking what about this example of that day person eating the little person i what what if there was here there what would it be and maybe it would be is it the date person is raid of
facing the non separation opening to the non separation with the little person
oh the big question or the
for the big person may be afraid that his big your friends will thinking but think he's not have you know
big enough unless he beats up the little person
so you know when i was younger and i would see people beating up on little people i would if i had a chance i would say oh wait a minute i have somebody better for you to beat up on
and they would go for you this this person's you know not really this isn't really
this is not for you this is beneath you to be beating up a lower risk could find somebody big
like me i used to be big
be me up that would really be fun
i got all yeah that would wouldn't it
it worked out really well how every time it worked out well
usually usually it's they stop beating up the other person and didn't beat me up
because you're a bigger
why wasn't exactly bigger actually one time you know
i was i used to weigh a lot of
i was never very tall host by used to be two inches taller than i am now but i i weighed a lot more
i weighed about forty to fifty pounds more than i do now
and one time i was at a at a drive in which with called dairy queens they have to have somebody have some california now anyway
that this place called dairy queen and i was standing outside in the parking lot and these two guys who were like about a foot taller than me maybe not quite ready but they really big guys and one am said
rob addresses air tonight
and one of my work
do you see that
yeah they they were looking on the whereas a but they looked up and i was standing like down me between beneath them you know cyclists are going to call sneaked away
i didn't want to find out that this mythological figure were just a little tiny get

but you know the myth myths and can be useful so that
when you meet people who are beating somebody up you can
you can say well
this you know this is not really a mythological thing because you guys to be beating up in this little guy we can we can take on something really big you know
like me
and then when i when when you say that they suddenly look really big to them and they go oh yeah i would be interesting wouldn't it and they never and and if they were interested i would say that this wouldn't actually be something that you'd like to do would you regret it afterwards
and they always believed that it would be not a good idea
but it would be like interesting but not good interesting
i was already known
for this boxing thing so in in this area in the certain city you know it was known that i was this person who did this thing
this cushion
in my boxing for me
well actually there and nurseries i was going i was i was a heavyweight not very tall but i was heavyweight i would hundred when i was a boxing i weigh one hundred and ninety five
and i was there you know that they have in you have wanes in they way you beforehand to see what even if you're heavy with this to way you
so i saw this one other this guy was ahead of me and the line of of the way and and he was he was also standing up on the scale you know and he weighed two hundred and forty
and he was up in the scales and he had held on to
can he looked down at me and kind of snickered can like
you're gonna be in this thing little guy
at that time i got a kind of thought
i'm gonna be in this thing with him
i thought it does seem strange that i was gonna go in a ring with a real big guy like that
i did kind of think well what what's going on here
when is like you scare at more like am i insane
this seems really dangerous
but i don't i wasn't so i was so frightened
actually kind of excited more
who is of them
you know when i got in the ring i i i kind of didn't feel so separate i kind of felt like
how was gonna get our gonna and and when you're little it's easier to get close to the big guys
in boxing
could you a smaller target you know so that so that they're they're they're throwing these punches out and out at towards you you know and you conduct down and get under the punches and then get real close to them get inside the in this area
which is what my court instructed me to do it just go inside and then num do various things
which i did and then i've tried do various things i went
up to the where the head is
and then and then goliath went down
and when he went down the same guy was snickering at me when he went down
the year
the the ring
shook up and down you know
and also
the same time the bleachers fell over backwards
the bleachers and the balcony fell over i thought that that they fell over because of the the ring shaken but it wasn't because of that was because the people in the in the balcony stood up and when they stood up the bleachers fell over backwards
but i thought to me if seem like you know that this huge guy when he hit the ground them
and he stayed there
and then they demanded people came in with the
oxygen and stuff
i felt very exciting
i retired
after that
oh see after that yeah the we then i went into it's called judo which means a gentle way
that was it was interesting sport too
i learned that a very exciting sport because
oh actually the night before i remember the night before i did get scared but i was thinking about it as i'm going to sleep the night before that this tournament started and i was thinking in other sports you know like i'm in a what track and field and football he got there you know and if you lose
generally speaking in the you know the score can be like a lopsided like
fifty did nothing or something in football or in track and field you can be second or third or fourth in wanted some things
but in in boxing there's only one year only one guy on your team and your whole team can get knocked out and get carried out so it seemed like really different from the other things that and most other sports i was doing i was thinking of what i would do i've settled government my what what i was gonna do but in this one thing it's not just what you do that what they're going to do to you
so i didn't actually kind of get kind of upset can thinking about it beforehand thinking about the future
i can get frightened but when it actually got in running i didn't think about the future questionably i did one time i not a member
he actually that big guy actually i think he did hit me one time
and i and
yeah he did hit me one time and i think and i never heard a lot
and i think i got knocked down when he when he hit me and i think actually got not gone and i remember the referee holding and holding back and on because when you get knocked down in boxing
they don't feel other guy come in right away after after get up they let you get up and give up you know get on your feet again and they hold him away for a little while before they learn come back and i remember feeling really good about that referee holding him back
ha i felt as poor also felt like i didn't really want that gotta come back right away because you you know he just said he just hit me and it hurt and i was gonna how knocked down because of its kind of oh nice nice if he was not coming over here book with me for awhile
but then my coach gave me some instruction and
he got knocked out
quite surprising to me but had happened
when we became good friends after that
yes the manual is faulty his fearlessness
does that mean that you have fear of if you don't
back on a fear lacked in spite of here
did you fear you know like do something which go ahead and do that yeah i think that's part of it is that there's fear but you know you're on the slave by it
you you on your free of it you're free of it you know like like you can dance with it
your ear in relationship with it like when you for dancing with somebody you're in relationship with your partner but you're also free of your partner in the dance and the dance and your partner's free of you than the dance is really good when you're when you're relating to each other and depending on each other and also by or
realizing that dependence
and not resisting have dependence and not being afraid of that dependence we have this thing called a dance
and there's creativity and understanding and freedom
so we can be that way with fear relax with it play with it dance with it
be creative with it then we'll understand it and we understand fear will be free of it
that's that that's
that's a practice principle which i offered to you
and that applies to everything else too
relax with it play with it be creative with it
and be creative with it means let it be creative with you so you let the fear be creative with you to it is like i'm just creative with the fear
let the fear
you know doing some work on me to do in that fair play with me
that the fear touch me in various places
not just me touch the fear in many places
neither neither me nor the fierce and how are are are separating from each other
in a wave were intimate with fear through not realizing
our intimacy with beings
when we realized our intimacy with beings
then there is no fear

in had intimacy even know where intimate maybe with a being who's afraid
but in any intimacy there's no fear
an intimacy we find the intimacy on relax with
with them beings who seems separate from us and who might you know
want to hurt us or something like that
but it's possible if someone doesn't want to hurt us
but we realize this person wants to hurt it is is intimate with us and so they want to hurt me but i'm not afraid
and as ten down nor do they want to hurt me but they might be successful at it but i'm not afraid
and and and i won't be violent with them even though they might try to be violent with me
because i'm not afraid of them and i'm and i'm intimate with them
bye by loose track my intimacy than i can become frayed of people be violent with people that really an intimate with
so we're already intimate if we lose touch with it we become afraid and at risk of being violent with those
with those with whom we are intimate
if you relax with with death
be playful with death
be creative with death and love def be created with creative with you
where'd you say let death have habits way with you
then you'll understand death and be free of death
you still be permanent
does make you know doesn't make you in change of impermanence it just that you realize free him with death
if you pray if you practice and play with play with it
does that make like lot of sense to you this it's it's a tall order but we're talking about
a tall order fearlessness is a tall order
not falling for instance of set our sense of separation
is it is a tall order because we have the huge
how believing that were separate from other beings
don't we
can we kind of like real strong habit that way
so there it is
now let's just take good care of it
and they will become we could potentially someday become free of it
the three tradeoff
i agree
i would say it's grace
just like a reality realities grace you know we don't make reality by herself
also will his grace to whatever will we have as is given to us by all beings we don't make our will buy your own wilt
however i will have consequences and part of the consequences of our will is future wills
but yeah we don't make our self fearless but
we are graced with teachings which help us
and then were graced with receiving the teachings and they were graced with practicing the teachings
so even though it's given to her still we get we we need still you if put practice practices given to us and we don't practice them then stir things will go one way and of practices are given to us and we go up and we practice them then go another way but it's not in our control about whether we'll practice these practices
so now it's not within my control
that i will be playful with the next moment of fear that arises in me or you
but still
all this is grace all these are this is all being given fear is grace and fearlessness his grace fears grace and practices with grace with fear that are realized fearlessness it's all grace saw given to us
we are other dependent beings are the way we are is given to us by the universe
and the universe is giving us some it's instruction that that so and we're very grateful to hear it because hearing it might sink in and then we could participate in grace

we can't think grace
well yeah you can say we can't think race but you can also say i thinking is grace have every every time you think something that's given to you by your past your history your past thinking and all of our thinking gives you your things so you think you you're thinking doesn't reach the grace
but you're thinking is a manifestation of the grace of the universe
it's nice having something we experience present it's something we are in the present
again if you experience it is still it's out there a little bit separate but it's the way we are in the present this is our nature
we are
we're given our life we are given our death
and if we pray and we are given instructions about how to practice with our life
and when we do practice with our life we will see that they will realize
how generous the university is and how generous we are because we're part of the universe were also generous with the with the rest of the universe
and anybody who doesn't get this hobby needs to do is practice now understand it
sync but you can still understand maybe or the reason why don't get this as good on practice completely
and this guy tells me if i do back as i will get it and he also tells me that he when he sees people practicing they do get it they understand when the practice
when people practice generosity they understand generosity
when they don't they may not
by it's already the case that were generous and that everybody else's generous
i don't know if we want to record the next part which is gonna be not very interesting