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January 25th 1987, Serial 01810A

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RA-01810A

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'Rinzai "slap and shout" as intimacy; transmission authenticity; eloquent and controversial'

 

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The talk explores the Rinzai Zen tradition, focusing on the "slap and shout" method as a form of intimate communication and a tool for transmission authentication. The narrative illustrates key interactions between Rinzai and his teacher, Obaku, emphasizing the depth of Zen teaching beyond scholarly study and the demonstration of insight surpassing one's teacher. The discussion also highlights the essence of Dharma as mind-ground and critiques the reliance on formal recognition within Zen.

  • Record of Rinzai: The foundation for discussions on Rinzai's teachings and methods, illustrating the practical application of Zen teachings through stories of interactions with his teacher, Obaku.

  • Diamond Sutra: Brought up in relation to Tok San, illustrating the limitations of scholarly study without fundamental personal change and realization in Zen practice.

  • John Blofeld's "The Zen Teaching of Huang Po: On the Transmission of Mind": Referenced to contextualize Obaku's teachings and their impact on Rinzai's understanding.

  • Rinzai Roku (The Record of Rinzai): Explored to underscore Rinzai's emphasis on direct experience and realization over reliance on written words or intellectual speculation.

  • Surangama Sutra: Cited during a comparison of Rinzai’s actions as a form of requiting the Buddha's beneficence, with emphasis on serving all beings wholeheartedly.

  • Commentaries on Rinzai Roku: Mentioned as a vital learning source for understanding Rinzai's insights, particularly the importance of surpassing one's teacher's insights in Zen practice.

AI Suggested Title: Rinzai Zen: Beyond Words and Study

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And I must thank Brad for inviting me to come. He's not here, but I've already thanked him. And I thank all of you for coming. Yes, I can. I will. I'm very happy to be here. Thank you for coming. Can you hear me now? Good. From the record of Rinzai. Rinzai came up to Mount Obaku in the middle of the feather session. Seeing Obaku, his old teacher, reading a sutra, he said, I always used to think you were a real man, but now I see you're just a black bean-eating old teacher.

[01:07]

Rinzai stayed a few days and then tried to take his leave. Obaku said, you came in violation of the rules of the summer session, and now you are trying to leave before it's over? What is this? Rinzai said, I came for a little while to pay my respects to you, old teacher. Obaku hit him and chased him out. After he had gone a few miles, Rinzai, thinking it over, returned to finish the summer session. One day, later on, when the session was over, he took leave of his teacher, Obaku.

[02:11]

Obaku said to him, where are you going? Famous question. Where are you going? Rinzai said, if I don't go to Honan, I'll return to Hopi. Obako hit him. Rinzai seized Obako and gave him a hit. Laughing heartily, Obako called to his attendant and said, please bring me the armrest. Bring me the backrest. Bring me these things that belong to my old teacher. Rinzai said, Attendant, bring me fire. Let me burn them up. Obaku said, Be glad as it may.

[03:26]

You may want to burn them up, but take them with you just the same. Later, Another monk, Kruishan, asked Yangshan about this matter and said, didn't Rinzai abuse his teacher, Obaku's, trust? Not at all. Well then, what do you think about it? Only one who recognizes beneficence can requite it. From ancient times to the present, has there been anyone like him? Yes, there has. But he lived so long ago that I don't think I want to talk about him. Well, be that as it may, I'd like to know.

[04:29]

Please try and tell me. At the Surangama assembly, Ananda, in praising the Buddha, said, with my whole heart, I shall serve all beings throughout the myriad world. This is called requiting the Buddha's beneficence. Isn't this also an example of requiting beneficence? Just so, just so, replied Klaishan. One whose insight is the same as his teacher's lacks half of his teacher's power. Only one whose insight surpasses his teacher's is worthy to be his heir. I am sitting in a Soto temple talking about Rinzai.

[05:42]

Okay? It's all the same. I may not know how to get up on your town gracefully. I may not know what some of your wonderful forms are. But our hearts are all in the same wonderful place. And we are all here for the same beautiful reasons. So this Rinzai, we are told a lot about him. And this Rinzai is not anything or any person but ourselves. Our study of these ancient masters, ancient stories, not ancient at all. Contemporary story, Rinzai here, us. His problems, our problem. His enlightenment, our enlightenment. His way of teaching to help us in our life.

[06:44]

So we are told that when he was very young, he was very brilliant. He had exceptional intelligence, as all of us then students do, of course. He studied hard the sutras, the shastras. He memorized texts. But he realized, to use his own words, that this approach to Buddhism was a medical prescription for saving mankind. it did not make any fundamental difference to his way of being, to just read, to just study. In the same period, you all know, I'm sure, about Tok San, who was the great student of the Diamond Sutra. He was a contemporary of Rinzai.

[07:48]

And he too found out that all this scholarly investigation was not the way to bring about any fundamental change in him. He carried his notes and his books around on his back, trying to convince others, however, that this was a good path. Just read the Diamond Sutra and you'll be okay. wherever he went. And as he was traveling, he was searching for a teacher who would confirm his realization, someone who would say, you're OK. What you're doing is just fine. And one day, you must know this story, he stopped at a tea house. And he there found an old woman who was the caretaker of the tea house. And he asked her if he could have lunch to refresh his mind.

[08:54]

He asked him about the pack of books and papers on his back. And he told her very proudly that these were commentaries on the Diamond Sutra. Did she want to read them? She said, well, Your Worship, I have heard about that Diamond Sutra. And it seems that in there it is said that past mind cannot be held, present mind cannot be held, future mind cannot be held. With what mind are you going to be refreshed? Hokusan was dumbfounded. No answer. That old woman put him in a place where he was stuck. So was Rinzai the same.

[10:01]

Rinzai found no fundamental answer to his study, so he went to Obaku's temple. Huangpuo in Chinese, and some of you may know the wonderful teaching of Huangpuo and believing in mine, John Blofeld's edition of that wonderful book. Anyway, I will call him Obaku. And he went, and he was among the assembly of monks at Obaku's temple. And the story is told that he sat with pure and direct attention and intention. Simple, straightforward, clear. One day, the head monk saw him and asked him, how long have you been sitting?

[11:05]

Three years, answered Rinzai. And Bokshu, the head monk, said to him, Have you ever been to have an interview with the master? No, said Rinzai, I have not. I don't know what to ask him. So Bakshu said, go, quickly, get up. Go immediately to the master and ask him. What is the heart of this great matter? What is the essence of Buddhism? Go, right now. Cho Rinzai got up, went. Before he could finish his question, Obaku hit him. And he came back to the head monk and said, I don't know where I am at all. But he would not answer me. He hit me. Waksha said, go back, quick.

[12:09]

Second time, again hit. Third time, again hit. So he was very discouraged. We all would be. No, nothing but being hit. Confused, discouraged, thinking he must have some terrible karma, but he could never do this. Does it sound familiar? He apparently was not a person capable of enlightenment. You know all the sad stories we tell ourselves sitting on a cushion or the . So he decided to leave. And before he left, the head monk said to him, go and say goodbye to . You mustn't leave in an angry state with him. Go and say goodbye and see what advice he has for you. So he went. And Ovaku said, go to Daigu.

[13:14]

He'll help you out. He'll be a good person for you to see right now. Go. So off he went. And he went to Daigu and he said to them, I don't know what I did, whether I was wrong or not, But every time I asked my teacher a question, he hit me. And Daigu looked at him and said, Ogaku was so exceedingly kind to you. Forgetting his dignity, he hits you. Why do you come here with all this stuff telling me about this? Whether you were right or wrong, were you good or bad, were you this or that, what does that have to do with anything? Suddenly Rinzai understood. Now let's go back a little bit.

[14:19]

Rinzai didn't know what to ask. What should I ask about? What are we doing here? What are we really asking about? Does it seem inconceivable that he should not have something to ask about after three years of sitting on the cushion? But what is the question? It certainly is not, am I right or wrong? Am I sitting straight? Is my breath doing something you notice? It's not that. If the question also is just in our heads, no good. If this question is not in every pore of our being, it doesn't mean a thing.

[15:23]

the ultimate question which will make clear for us and for Rinzai the essence of this special transmission from mind to mind, heart to heart, para to para. This fundamental question is what we are here for. This bokshu was a wonderful help to Rinzai. He too did not explain to him, he did not say, this and this and this is so about the essence of Buddhism, here's a prescription for you. He certainly saw and expressed this essence in his own behavior. He expressed so vividly something in helping compassionately this fellow monk.

[16:30]

and saying to him, go, see the teacher. It was also Bokshu who had gone to Obaku and said, please send him to Daigu. He'll know what to do. His presence will help him. This is our wonderful Zen teaching. I feel it from each one of you when I come. Yesterday I was at Zen Center and greeted so beautiful, such wonderful, gentle, Caring people who come with tea, with help in my awkwardness in how to deal with all your wonderful form, with warmth, with all of these things that are expressing your practice in the most profound way. So is book shoot. Great Zen compassion.

[17:38]

So when Rinzai went to see Obaku and asked this question and was just struck, let's think about this matter, not just think about it, feel it in your bones. Three times, just struck. Why did Obaku strike him? Each of Obaku's blows was intimate, strong contact with Rinzai. Of course he was not pitting him to reprimand him, say, you're a bad boy, you haven't come here for three years to talk to me. He was intimately connecting with him. So the hit is a symbol. Many people are disturbed by our Rinzai tradition that we're always hitting and yelling. Not so. Direct, intimate, strong, warm contact.

[18:46]

So he hit him this way, intimately thinking, moved his mind, moved him past some ordinary condition. Cutting off, stopping, saying, what's happening right now? That head monk, too, knew that there was great quality in Rinzai and that there was no need for him to explain these hits, that Rinzai would understand the intimate, warm, wonderful thing that he had received. When Daigu listened to Inzai, he heard something wonderful from him. He heard a great doubting question.

[19:53]

What have I done that I shouldn't have done, but not in that way? How do I not understand? Why is it that I don't see clearly? this great doubting question. And he was deeply struck by Rinzai's humility, his feeling that he needed to go deeper, that he must understand, that his intention was pure and direct in nature. And of course, he wasn't really asking anything except this fundamental question. So these wonderful teachers heard him. And Daigu said to him, Obapu is such a grandmother, such grandmotherly kindness.

[20:55]

He has utterly exhausted himself with your troubles. He has let go of his dignified place and come in direct contact with you. What more do you want? So he went back and greeted Ovaplu. And as he came to greet him, Obaku saw him coming, saw a transformed Rinzai, and said, here comes that guy again, coming and going, coming and going, when will it end? And they greeted one another with slaps and hits of a wonderful kind. Now you know these slaps and hits of a wonderful kind, we all do.

[22:01]

Some great blow in our life wakes us up. Some friend patting us on the back warmly or caringly at some point helps us. Some warm attentive word, which is a blow of a kind, a contact of a kind, all these things are what are talked about in this story. So when Odaku hits him this time, it is with another kind of intimate contact. And off Rinzai went. In the story that we read this morning, We hear that Rinzai has come back after traveling around, visiting other places, seeing what was happening, came back to visit Obaku.

[23:07]

And what did he find? There was his old teacher sitting, reading a sutra. And he gives him this kind of bantering. fellow to fellow greeting, I thought you were a man of substance, a teacher of substance, and that your teaching was this transmission without words and letters, and here I find you reading the sutra. What does that mean? Black bean nibbler. Black beans, of course, are these characters on the page nibbling. Wonderful teaching Rinzai gave us about this. Let me read to you from Rinzai Rock a little bit. What is dharma?

[24:09]

Dharma is mind dharma. Mind dharma is without form. It pervades the ten directions and is manifesting its activity right before your very eyes. Since we lack sufficient faith in this, we accept names and phrases and try to speculate about Buddha-Dharma from written words. We and Dharma, heaven and earth, are far apart. Followers of the way, when I, this mountain monk, expound the Dharma, what Dharma do I expound? I expound the Dharma of mind-ground, by which one can enter the secular and the sacred, the pure and the dirty, the real and the temporal. But you argue you were mistaken if you supposed that your real and temporal, secular and sacred, can attach a name to everything real and temporal, secular and sacred.

[25:20]

The real and temporal, the secular and the sacred cannot attach a name to this man. Followers of the way, grasped and used, but never named. This was called the mysterious principle. Of course we read the sutras. Of course we study the sutras. Of course we use our wonderful intellects. But we absorb the sutras in reading them. We become the sutras with every core of us, not seeking to find some secret word or passage which is going to emancipate us.

[26:22]

The ancient story of the being enlightened by hearing the Diamond Sutra, of course, is a wonderful story. but his mind was already ready. And the hearing of those words was simply tuning in to what was in him, nothing outside. Being with the sutra, just being. One day later on in this history, A distinguished visitor came to see Rinzai at his temple, and he asked him this question. Do your monks read the sutras here? Rinzai said, no, they do not. Well, then, do they practice Zen here? No, they do not. The visitor was very confused.

[27:26]

if your monks do not read sutras or do not practice Zen, then what in the world are they doing here? And Rinzai said, all I do is happen to become Buddhist and patriarch. Wonderful. Sutras aren't read and Zen isn't practiced. They are lived. Practicing is for something ahead. This is now. No rehearsals for now. Our Zen is lit. Again, from Lin Zui. Someone asked, what about the true Buddha, the true Dharma, and the true way? We beg of you to disclose this for us.

[28:29]

The master said, Rudra is the mind's purity. Dara is the mind's radiance. The way is the pure light pervading everywhere without convince. The three are one, yet all are empty names and have no real existence. With the true person of the way, from moment to moment, mind is not interrupted. In this story, we also heard that Rinzai has come back to visit his old teacher and says, I'll just tag around for a few days. They just came to pay respects and then off he will go. Obaku is not very pleased about that.

[29:33]

He senses something arrogant in this. You came in violation of the rules of the summer session and now you're taking leave before it's over. Something's lacking in that attitude. We all learn something from this, that we are constantly digging. We are always open, always fresh, never feeding as if we could not do endlessly treats ourselves. Never done it. So he, in order to show Rinzai that he was not very happy of what was happening, did his usual thing. He hit him. And Rinzai, as when he was a young monk, did not understand.

[30:38]

Why did he hit me? I have some understanding. I am out on my own in the world. Why did he hit me? Why did he chase me out? And as he walked along the road, he thought about it and he went back. He thought, there must be some reason that my old teacher had given me that kind of hit. was not the kind of hit that said go, it was the kind of hit that said something else. Think it over. Back he went. And he stayed, as we've heard in the story, and finished the training period. Then, when it was finished, he went to say goodbye to Obako, who asked him the famous question, where are you going?

[31:42]

Where are you going? You, you, you. Where are we going? And Rinzai said, if I don't go to Bonan, I'll go to Hopi. This answer, of course, has nothing to do with direction. Northeast, southwest, Hopi, Bonan, New York, Boston, San Francisco, nothing to do with that. It means that he is free to go anywhere. The whole world is his home. And Obaku sees this, that he is now really expressing his free way of being, free to go, free to stay, free to grow old, free to die, the whole open, free.

[32:44]

So he hit them again. But this is a different hit. A hit of love, of appreciation, of gratitude, of joy that this wonderful student is going on his compassionate journey. happy to let him go this time. A hit that says, go out on your journey of true compassion to really meet and mingle with all the world and help them become Buddhists and patriarchs, not just black people eating old monks. So Obaku called this attendance

[33:49]

very important moment, and he said, Bring me the backrest and the armrest that belong to my old teacher. These were the sign of transmission, transmission of the Dharma. Rinzai said, Burn them up. I have no need of them. The living Dharma is sparkling everywhere. Who needs some sign? Who needs a sign that I have it, or you have it, or he has it, or she has it, whatever? Do you need a piece of wood for this? It is said that Shakyamuni's robe and bowl were transmitted down through the ages to the sixth patriarch, at which point they were lost.

[34:50]

Good. This loss is significant. Much harm has come from being overly concerned about this matter of transmission. Do we need a paper certifying an awakened state? Rinzai says true awakening builds the whole universe. Acknowledgement in Zen is certainly different from having a diploma from the university. This Zen matter This acknowledgment is precious and intimate, a special transmission outside the scripture from mind to mind.

[35:55]

Do I have a transmission certificate? No, I do not. So in retrospect, no such piece of paper, He gave me a beautiful scroll, and we did have our walk on the road together, a most unconventional kind of transmission ceremony. When I heard him say in the course of our walk, Please tell everyone I have made you a Roshi. Your Roshi, he said. There was no need for that. I did not ask for it. I did not expect it. I never thought of it. And said to him, thank you, it's just a name. It doesn't make any difference. My students call me Maureen.

[37:00]

But for the sake of the Cambridge Buddhist Association, as teacher in that American temple, It was a sign of acknowledgement of what was and is going on there. This I am perfectly sure of. We have a wonderful lineage in the Cambridge Buddhist Association, starting with Daisetsu Suzuki, Shinichi Hisavance, Eltsi Natsuo, Shumio Horioka, All of these great people were people that I talked about with Soen Roshi when I saw them last. He told me that his amats had been one of his best teachers, wonderful teacher. His commentaries on the Rinzai Raku he had learned a tremendous amount from. So when he told me that he had this wonderful connection with his maps, I reminded him.

[38:15]

that it was he who had put me in touch with Elsie Mitchell. When I left New York, he'd say, don't be so sad. Go to Boston, where you are now to live. Go to the Museum of Fine Arts. Commune with the minds of the patriarchs there. And find Elsie Mitchell, and you'll be all right. Indeed, I found a great friend and a wonderful teacher So we talked of all of these people, and so I am sure that it was out of deep respect and acknowledgement of that lineage that Soren Hershey said to me, Go and teach me on Roshi. The fifth patriarch handed over the Roman bowl to Huiming in his private room in the middle of the night.

[39:23]

Nobody knew about it. This seal of approval, Miss Inka, qualified him to become a teacher on his own. There is a saying, Do not walk in the shadow of your teacher. You must have your own insight. In the Rinzai Rakho passage that we heard this morning, we heard him say, your insight must surpass your teacher to be worthy. Now, this is not said in any competitive sense, ever. It simply means that in addition to the wonderful insights that we have from our teachers, we have our own and pass that on in true Zen spirit.

[40:29]

At the Surangrama assembly, Ananda, in praising the Buddha, said, With my whole heart, I shall serve all beings throughout the myriad worlds. This is called reciting the Buddha's beneficence. Followers of the Way, mind is without form that pervades the ten directions. In the eye it is called seeing, In the ear, it is called hearing. In the nose, it smells odors. In the mouth, it falls converse. In the hand, it grasps and seizes. In the feet, it runs and carries. Fundamentally, it is one pure radiance.

[41:35]

Divided, it becomes the six harmoniously united spheres of sense. Since the mind is non-existent, wherever you are, you are emancipated. Followers of the Way, if you wish to see Dharma as it is, just have no doubt. Spread out, it fills the entire Dharmadhatu. Gathered in, the smallest player cannot stand upon it. Distinctly and radiantly shining alone, it has never lacked anything. No eye can see it. No ear can hear it.

[42:38]

Then by what name can it be called? A man of old said, To speak about a thing is to miss the mark. Just see for yourself what is there. I can keep on talking forever, but each one of you must strive individually. Take care of yourselves. Thank you.

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