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Pathways to Zen Tranquility
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The talk explores the challenges and deeper understandings associated with Zen meditation practices, focusing on the struggles with "discursive thought" and its relationship to self-identity and tranquility. The speaker discusses both the personal and communal aspects of such practices, emphasizing the importance of commitment to the Bodhisattva vows and precepts during the Bodhisattva initiation ceremony. The concept of "giving and receiving" plays a key role in understanding the mutual exchange with the Buddhas during these practices, underlining the necessity of this formal commitment. The speaker also shares contemplations on the poem "The Road to Shu is Hard" by Li Bo, as an analogy for the difficulties faced in Zen practice.
- Referenced Texts and Concepts:
- Maitreya's Dialogue with the Bhagavan: Discussed in the context of practicing yoga for enlightenment, emphasizing the pitfalls of materialistic concerns and discursive thought.
- Kan'an Gyo: Cited in the context of protective thoughts against discursive dangers.
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The Road to Shu is Hard by Li Bo: Used as an analogy for the complexities and challenges in Zen practice and the journey towards enlightenment.
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Themes and Concepts:
- The Bodhisattva Precepts and Initiation: Emphasizing the need for formal commitment to deepen one's practice and align with the Bodhisattva path.
- Discursive Thought: The struggle with thoughts that maintain a sense of self, potentially impeding meditation progress.
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Giving and Receiving in Zen: The mutual exchange between practitioners and Buddhas along the path of enlightenment.
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Practice Guidelines:
- Importance of communal support in Zen practice.
- Warnings on the potential dangers of rapid progression in meditation, underscoring the need for mindfulness and teacher guidance.
AI Suggested Title: Pathways to Zen Tranquility
Side: A
Speaker: Tenshin Roshi
Possible Title: Sesshin 3
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Side: A
Speaker: Susan OConnell
Possible Title: Shuso Talk 1
Additional text: Wake-Seeking Mind Talk
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Congratulations. When I was at service and the text was being recited, I did not recite it myself. Please accept this. The reason I didn't is because I wanted to listen to it. So thank you for reciting the text so I could listen to it. For me it was really so beautiful to hear you recite the text. I spent quite a bit of time with this chapter already, so having some familiarity with it, I still think it's difficult and I haven't really fully understood it, but still, even though I have not fully understood it, I think, wow, this is really good stuff!
[01:22]
Oh, how cool! This is the greatest! So thank you for delivering this message to me. At the end it says, then the Bhagavan spoke these verses. Whatever doctrines are designated and posited for the great purpose of diligence in yoga. Those who rely on these doctrines and work at this yoga will attain enlightenment. Those who, seeking flaws, dispute these words and study all doctrines Seeking liberation are Maitreya as far from this yoga as the sky is distant from the earth.
[02:36]
Those wise ones who benefit sentient beings do not seek rewards when striving to aid all beings. Those who hope for rewards will not attain supreme joy, free from all materialistic concerns. Those who, with desire, give Dharma instructions, have to renounce excuse me, have renounced desire, those who with desire give Dharma instructions, have renounced desire, will still cling to it. I don't understand that.
[03:45]
Those who with desire give Dharma instructions, have renounced desire, but still cling to it. These deluded ones obtain the precious, priceless Dharma, but wander in destitution. Therefore, vigorously abandon disputation, worldly commotion, and conceptual elaboration in order to liberate worldly beings, including gods. Make great effort in this yoga. Then the Bodhisattva Maitreya asked the Bhagavan, Bhagavan, what is the name of this form of Dharma discourse that explains your thought?
[04:49]
How should it be apprehended? The Bhagavan replied, Maitreya, this is the teaching of the definitive meaning of yoga. apprehended as, quote, the teaching of the definitive meaning of yoga, unquote. Then this teaching of the definitive meaning of yoga was explained When this teaching of the definitive meaning of yoga was explained, 600,000 living beings generated the aspiration towards completely perfect and unsurpassed enlightenment. 300,000 Shravakas purified the Dharma-I that is free from dust and stainless with respect to Dharma.
[05:54]
150,000 Sravakas liberated their minds from contamination such that they would not take rebirth. 75,000 Bodhisattvas attained mental contemplation of the great yoga. This completes the eighth chapter of Maitreya. The concluding stanza, therefore vigorously abandon disputation, worldly commotion, and conceptual elaboration. In other words, discursive thought. And do this in order to liberate worldly beings, including gods, and I may add, ourselves. Make great effort in yoga.
[06:59]
And this last paragraph sounds to me, first of all, make great effort in the practice of tranquility in order to liberate worldly beings as a practice to facilitate the vows of compassion. This session, in talking to people in individual interviews, almost no one has told me about their pain. Usually during the first, this is the third day, during the first three days, people talk, especially second and third day, people talk about pain. But mostly I haven't heard much about that, and I thought maybe it's because we warmed up to this Ajin by having quite a bit of sitting, but I'm not saying there's no pain, but I haven't heard a bunch about it.
[08:08]
I've heard more about, actually, difficulties in meditation. People are awake enough to have, like, problems staying awake. And some people are awake most of the day. And their problem is that they're having trouble being awake all day. But you've got good problems. Some people are awake in the morning and sleepy in the afternoon. Some people are sleepy in the afternoon and awake at night. Some people are awake all day and tired at night. There's different patterns, we have different bodies. It's kind of nice, actually, that we're not all asleep at the same time. So that somebody's awake and witnessing silence.
[09:11]
Somebody's keeping their eye on the ball while the rest of us sleep. When I was a kid in Minneapolis, there was this kind of bread and they said, blah blah bread, baked while you sleep. When I was a teenager I worked at a bakery and I used to get up at like two or three in the morning and walk in the freezing cold to work at the bakery. And I'd bake while you were asleep. And then I'd go home about eleven o'clock and take a nap. So you were eating while I was sleeping. People are struggling to give up discursive thought. Some people are like not giving up much discursive thought, but they're noticing that they're not. Some people are giving up enough discursive thought to get scared that they actually might give up discursive thought.
[10:20]
People are noticing, as I mentioned yesterday, that our thinking, our discursive thought, is one of the main ways we keep in touch with a sense of self. And we need a sense of self to, like, follow the Seshin schedule and, you know, serve meals. Like, meal server is to leave. Well, who's that? Oh, it's me! Or like, you know, so-and-so, Kriyana Zendo. That's me. I'm so-and-so. It's kind of a sense that that name goes with you, or something like that. We kind of need it. But also we feel like this self is isolated sometimes, and that if we don't keep up the sense of it, it might be lost. There's a sense of a self, and it's not clear that the self is supported by everybody, including supported by our memory, so that if somebody says, Rev, I'll remember, oh no, who is that?
[11:36]
That's me, right? Yeah. But even if I forget, you know, and somebody says, Rev, come over here, and I don't move, people say, they called your name, go. But what if I'm not in a group? Who will remind me? might be a problem. So anyway, people are getting close enough or into enough this giving up discursive thought that they're opening to the possibility of perhaps the danger that they might forget and lose touch with their sense of self and this desire to have contact with that stimulates them to stop giving up discursive thought and say, this is dangerous. And I would say, yeah, that's right, it is dangerous. Someone said that when he calms down, he hears his voice saying, that's enough.
[12:37]
Other people, again, as they calm down, and the discursive thought quiets down, they also again sense losing contact with the self, and some kind of like, often people feel this big abyss opening up and then they tense up. So, I do not want, I would say respect those, respect those warnings The word precept, by the way, the root of it means, the first part, prae, like goes pre, the prae means beforehand. And the sept, or septus, comes from the word, you know, like carpe or cape, to grab, to take. So precept literally means to take beforehand.
[13:41]
It's a warning. So there's ethical precepts which are warnings, but also teachings. So there's a precept. Before you start practicing, a precept of practicing Samatha is give up discursive thought. It's a warning about discursive thought. Watch out for it. If you get involved in it, it will be hard to become. But also there's another precept which is Respect your fear when it arises. Don't necessarily wallow in it, but if somebody says stop, if you hear a voice saying that's enough, if you feel scared, respect that feeling. Disrespecting it also would be a more discursive thought. At that point maybe talk to a teacher about whether you're opening up too much.
[14:44]
Don't force yourself to give up discursive thought too quickly. Another experience quite a few people are reporting is that as they start to give up discursive thought certain kinds of thoughts start either rushing in or popping into their awareness. Disturbing thoughts. Thoughts which ordinarily don't come up when you're tense and defensive. That's another thing that happens as you become calmer. You may become overly open. It's possible. So if you feel worried about it, it's okay to And it's okay to lighten up, maybe do a little discursive thought and go talk to the teacher and say, I feel kind of shocked by certain images or something that's coming up. So be careful as you practice tranquility.
[15:53]
And again, I'm kind of amazed how well some people are doing, that they're calm enough to have these problems. These kinds of problems are problems that people have when they calm down. People that are really agitated, they're agitated by what they're thinking of, not what's coming to them. I shouldn't say they're agitated by what they're thinking, whereas people who are becoming calm are more... I think their calm is getting tested, it's not really agitation, it's getting tested, and it's getting balanced by other processes in the body and mind which are saying, you know, don't go too fast, Don't get calm too fast. Be careful. Don't do this alone. Check it out with the teacher. And also, when I try to practice shamatha myself, sometimes I'm really surprised how powerful the discursive mind is and how much it tests me.
[17:19]
and sneaks in there and gets its little, gets its thing in there, gets its story in there, so quick and so strong and so, yeah, kind of unseen. It comes in and starts, gets its going there, right in the middle of silence. It's silent and then it's not. But it doesn't say, I'm going to disturb the silence now. I recently had a procedure at the hospital and they gave me a sedative and I was awake, you know, looking around the room and looking at the monitors and stuff, and then... and I said, is that the sedative I feel now? And they said, uh-huh. Did you just put it in? And I said, uh-huh. I said, hmm. And then I was looking at the monitors and then they said, how are you feeling? And I said, fine. And I said,
[18:22]
I'm watching the monitors, you know, and I thought it was like that, but actually I had been out between when I said, is that the sedative? And when I said, I was actually watching the monitors, I had been out quite a bit, but I didn't notice, I just noticed, is that the sedative? And then I was awake, looking at the monitor again. But I didn't know what it was again. I thought it was like looking at the monitors. Is that the sedative? Looking at the monitors. And discursive thought can get in there like that. You're just like looking at the floor, looking at the wall, and then looking at the wall, and then... And then, hey, da-da-da-da is going on, where'd that come from? How'd that get in here? It's not silent anymore.
[19:24]
It's the floor plus a floor show. And then, again, I listen to people saying how hard it is to practice this, and I think, just a couple of days ago, I think either yesterday or the day before, I thought, maybe we should just practice Pure Land Buddhism. Please, Amida Buddha, take us to the land of tranquility. Calm our minds. It's too hard for us to do it. Anyway, help us. This is like too much for poor little me. And then I thought of this poem. It's written by a Chinese poet named Li Bo, and he's called the... he got the nickname among all the great Tang poets as the Poet of Darkness.
[20:27]
And this is called The Road to Shu is Hard. Want to hear it? It's kind of long. Who said yes? Okay, if you say so. Alas! Did that wake you up? Behold! How steep! How high! The road to Shu is hard, harder than climbing to the heavens. The two kings of Tsan Tsung and Yu Fu opened up this land in the dim past. 48,000 years since that time, sealed off from the frontier regions of Chin.
[21:31]
The great white peaks block the Western approach. A bird track just wide enough to be laid across the top of Mount Ome The earth tottered, mountains crumbled, brave men and women perished. And then came the hanging bridges, sky ascending ladder interlocked. Above, on the highest point, six dragon peak curls around the sun below the gushing, churning torrents of the river around. White geese cannot fly across. And the gibbons, in despair, give up climbing.
[22:34]
Now the mud mountain twists and turns, nine bends within a hundred steps, zigzagging up the cliffside, to where one can touch the stars breathless. Beating my chest, I heave a long sigh and sit down. May I ask if you expect to return, traveling so far west? Terrifying road, incessant mountain peaks lie ahead. where one sees only dismal birds howling in the ancient woods, where the male and female fly around and around. One also hears cuckoos crying beneath the moon at night.
[23:41]
Grief overfills the empty mountains. Sadness fills the valleys. The road to Shu is hard, harder than climbing to the heavens. Just hearing these words turns one's cheeks pale. Peak upon peak, less than a foot from the sky, where withered pines hang inverted from sheer cliffs where cataracts and roaring torrents make noisy clamor gnashing upon rocks a thunderclap from 10,000 glens an impenetrable place like this I sigh and ask why should anyone come here from so far?
[24:51]
Where the dagger peak stands erect and sharp, with one man guarding the pass, 10,000 people cannot advance. Should those on guard prove untrustworthy, they could have turned into leopards and wolves. Mornings, one turns away from fierce dragons. Evenings, one runs away from long snakes. In the Kan'an Gyo it says, evenings, mornings I think of Kanzayan, evenings I think of Kanzayan. They gnash their fangs and suck human blood and maul people down like hemp. The brocade city might be a place for pleasure, but it's far better to hurry home.
[26:04]
The road to Shu is hard, harder than climbing to the heavens. Sideways, I look westward and heave a long sigh. And yet, we go on. Shu, by the way, is an ancient name for Shetron, and Ome is Omeishan, which is on the western part of Shetron. It's the frontier of Tibet, the main frontier between China and Tibet. So this is kind of like the shamatha, in case you didn't get the analogy.
[27:20]
The Buddha way is wonderful, but it's also difficult because of all these slippery habits which are concerned with keeping us alive, and they do for a while, but they also distract us sometimes from our bodhisattva vow to practice yoga in order to liberate beings. Now we're approaching the middle of this retreat, and we're also approaching the end of this retreat. Or I should say we're approaching the middle of this session and the end of this little retreat, at which time we will have a Bodhisattva initiation ceremony.
[28:33]
a ceremony where people will commit to the Bodhisattva vows and precepts, together with each other and with us. We will witness their commitment. We will witness them entrust themselves to these precepts and these vows. I proposed to you, and this is something I... I don't know if I heard about this first or saw it and then heard about it, but this is something for which I have some evidence, and that is that wanting to practice the Bodhisattva precepts and Bodhisattva vows is wonderful, truly wonderful.
[29:47]
However, without committing to them formally, without entrusting our body and mind to these practices, we tend to stay on the surface of this wish to practice. So making this commitment is necessary in order to go deep into the practice. And once again, this commitment is another turning point, another crisis. There's dangers and there's opportunities. So in myself and others, I see that we go deeper into these practices when we commit to them.
[31:08]
We become initiated into them. We go into their inner precinct by this commitment. It doesn't mean we're suddenly perfect. just means we're initiated into the practice more deeply. And these precepts support the practice of the Bodhisattva yoga, and the Bodhisattva yoga makes us more ready to practice the precepts. in the first part of the ceremony. The way it's done in this practice place and as far as I can tell the way it's been done for many centuries throughout the tradition.
[32:24]
First thing that's done is to make offerings and frustrations to the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. And then the next thing is the invocation, the calling up, calling up, verbally inviting, aligning ourselves with the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. Align ourselves with great compassion, free of all conceptual clinging. And by verbally aligning ourselves, this verbal expression of our alignment with the Buddhas
[33:26]
And those who wish to be Buddhas for the welfare of the world, the Bodhisattvas, this verbal alignment and its physical alignment is an invocation, an invitation for them to come and be with us in the ceremony. People who have heard the Dharma have said that the Buddhas are with us, the Bodhisattvas are with us. But when we invite them, we may be able to feel their presence more fully. So that's how the ceremony starts. Offering incense and flowers and candles and frustrations and then invoking the presence of these beings. These beings for which we may not have evidence for. these beings which I hope we are not dogmatic about.
[34:34]
I hope we entertain the possibility that there may be no such beings. I hope that we are not arrogant about these Buddhas and Bodhisattvas who we align ourselves with. And if we don't align ourselves with it, I hope we are not arrogant about not aligning. I hope we are not arrogant and attached to not aligning ourselves with the tradition, and all the other traditions that we may not align ourselves with. So that's the beginning, and then And there is a teaching there that in this calling to them to come, and in their coming, in that call and response, in that meeting, that's where the ceremony really lives.
[35:46]
part of the ceremony is called juhkai, and juhkai could be made of two characters, one receiving and the other precepts. But actually the character used in juhkai is the character which means to give. But the character to give is made of a hand radical and another radical which means to receive. And the character which means to give is giving, handing over, and receiving. The giving is a giving and a receiving. And the giving and receiving goes in both directions. When you receive the precepts, you give the Buddhas your heart, your dedication, your commitment, your alignment with the precept.
[37:22]
And the Buddhas give you their heart, they give you the precepts. So, in the process, juhkai means giving and receiving. So maybe it's better to use the word, the Chinese character for giving, because the character for giving has the hand, which gives, and the character for receiving. Whereas the character for receiving just means receiving. But I think I'm going to write on the back of the people's robes the character for receiving and the character for giving. Receiving, giving, receiving, the Bodhisattva precepts. This giving to the Buddhas, receiving from the Buddhas, the Buddhas receiving from us and giving to us, this is the place where the practice has been said by the ancestors to really live.
[38:28]
It's not from them giving to you and you not giving to them. It's not from you giving to them and them not giving to you. It's mutual giving and receiving. Also, the character for receiving also means to experience. And it's also the character that they use to translate the Sanskrit Vedana, which is the second skanda, the skanda of feeling or experiencing sensation, the actual feeling. So, it's also to be said, to give and feel, or give and experience the precepts. And by experiencing the precepts, give the precepts. That's another dimension of that character. That's the beginning of the ceremony, which is a way to be initiated into the Bodhisattva path.
[39:39]
And many people wish to practice the Bodhisattva way, and as I said, that's really wonderful, but without the formal commitment, without entrusting to yourself, and in some sense trapping yourself in that intention, it's pretty difficult to train yourself into that path if you're doing it all by yourself, just according to your wonderful intention, wonderful aspiration. Without telling other people about your intention, without saying it in public to people who can see you and hear you and then help you afterwards follow through, it's pretty hard And it's pretty hard to be successful, I should say.
[40:45]
It's actually easier. In a way, it's easier if you just have good intentions and don't tell anybody about them. In some sense, it's easier that way. But it's harder to be successful if you don't tell people that you want to practice these vows, because then they don't feel invited to assist you. Whereas if you tell them and make this commitment, and put yourself in that container of them knowing you want to practice this, then they can help you. So then it's harder, because they're all helping you. They're all saying, well, how is that the precepts? How is that kind? How is that helpful? They help you. It's harder that way, actually. And also, yeah, it's harder. but it's more successful. It's the path of liberation. The ceremony is called tokudo, which means attaining or touching liberation.
[41:52]
Toku, to attain. Do. And this do is not the do of the path, it's the do of crossing over samsara and realizing freedom. And strictly speaking, the form of this ceremony coming up here is called Zai Kei Toku Do, literally staying at home and attaining liberation. Slightly different in form from the leaving home ceremony, which we also do in this temple. Tomorrow I'll talk about the difference between those two. But in both cases, it's a tokudo ceremony. It's a ceremony of attaining liberation. The first part of both ceremonies is making offerings and invitations to the Buddhas to come.
[42:59]
And the first part of the ceremony, to enter the Buddha's way, And in a way, it's also the first part of all Buddhist practice, is that you invite the Buddhas to practice with you. You say, it's funny, you know, I'm going to practice Buddhism, I'm going to practice the Buddha way, but I don't want any Buddhas around here. And that's kind of cute, actually, I think. Especially if you would tell the Buddhas that. Buddhas, just want you to know, I want to practice your way, but I want you guys to back off. Leave me alone. Come on, leave me alone. Come on, leave me alone. Don't come near me. That's pretty good, actually. It's almost like come here. They don't exactly feel invited, but they do kind of wonder why you're telling them not to come. They might come around and wonder.
[44:02]
You're making a lot of, oh, me thinks thou does protest too much. You get my interest. But maybe that's too, I don't know what, ironic. And maybe it's just go ahead and whenever you practice, whenever you want to do some good, invite the Buddhas to be with you while you do it. I don't want to exactly suggest that. I would just say that's actually what the tradition says is the practice. You start the practice with the Buddhas. Before you practiced, you didn't think you were practicing with the Buddhas. that you start practicing the Buddha way, you are practicing with the Buddhas.
[45:05]
So, be aware of that, be mindful of that, please. And I wanted to tell you that one of the members of this, well, I just want to also say that I think you've noticed that During this retreat, people have lost grandparents, mothers-in-law, fathers-in-law. I don't know if anybody has lost a brother or a sister, but there have been deaths among our group of close family members. There's been many friends who are ill, and so we have gone through all this together. And one of our members, I don't know exactly how to describe it, but maybe she opened up too fast.
[46:11]
Maybe she did too much opening too fast, and because she had become quite disoriented, and I believe is now in the hospital, and that's Katrine. Just walking around, or resting, it wasn't so bad, but she seemed to be getting more and more disoriented. We tried to make we tried to have her work in the kitchen, and the kitchen people were very kind to support her to work in the kitchen. We thought that would ground her. But she only could go one time, and then she couldn't go back to the kitchen. She just couldn't bring herself to do it. And she was getting more and more disoriented. So she agreed to go to the hospital to have some kind of check-up so that they thought, I guess they thought she should stay for her own safety.
[47:17]
So currently she's in the hospital. We can do services for her tonight and others, but I want you to know about that. So we have an example that Tranquility meditation can come on too strong sometimes, and maybe that's what happened with her. I don't know. The road to shu is hard. There are dangers. And we shouldn't take this effort lightly. And that's why we should keep in touch with each other while we're practicing and keep an eye on each other, which we do. And so we noticed that she was having a hard time, and we noticed that she wasn't here, and her roommate kept us informed, which was very kind.
[48:20]
At the same time, we couldn't whisk her off as soon as we saw the slightest disturbance, because she wanted to be here, and we have to respect that, too. But this is part of the quandary of practicing with our very fragile bodies and our very fragile minds. And I haven't talked about the body, but the same with that. Don't push your body too much either in this practice. Respect the messages from your body, respect the messages from your mind when it says, maybe you should rest, maybe that's enough, maybe this is too much pain, listen to that stuff. and seek guidance about how to respond to it. The road to shu is hard. It's dangerous. But there is the opportunity of learning this yoga practice and being able to really help people more and more.
[49:25]
So we have also illness and tiredness, and we have children who are sick or keeping parents awake at night. People are having a hard time here, and I'm deeply grateful and impressed by your great efforts so far. And may we together move joyfully and peacefully through the rest of this retreat and support these friends who are going to go through this initiation process and carry forward our intention to benefit this world. ♪ Your intentions and to everything else ♪
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