The Seeds and Fruits of True Awakening 

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i said earlier that this course is called the zen meditation
seeds and fruits of
enlightenment something like that and then i also suggested towards the beginning that you could say zen meditation is the seed and fruit
of enlightenment
as the last class in the series but the next class will also be called probably zen meditation
so the neck class will be about the same thing it'll be about the process of the seeds sprouting and flowering and fruiting of enlightenment
but there's infinite flowers are infinite seeds and fruits
the next year's classes will be completely different
and will be by the same thing
zen meditation zen practice
or the buddha away
during this series started by saying that the seed of the process
the seat of zen meditation the seed of yeah the seed is aspiration and then the way to take care of the aspiration is by various practices
and some practices that take care of the aspiration bring the aspiration to flowering
in the sense of awakening to wisdom
and the wisdom comes to fruit
in the same practices which led to the wisdom
can you imagine this seed which is this aspiration
practices which take care of the aspiration and bring the aspiration to
as awakening to wisdom
and then this wisdom
this flowering of wisdom than fruits has the same practices which led to the wisdom except that now these practices are emerging from wisdom whereas previously
they were an emerging in a sense from delusion
diluted beings can aspire to a wake up from to wake up in or from delusion
apparently diluted beings do aspire to true awakening
and then aspire to the fruits of true awakening it seems that diluted bays can do the that can happen to diluted beings and then they can also do the practices which lead to wisdom prior to realizing wisdom they can do practices which lead to wisdom
prior to wisdom they did not correctly understand the practices they're doing
after they wake up they basically understand the practices that they've been doing and now the process goes on
but it's a it's a wisdom process
it said it's a transcendent process where it before it was a worldly process of purification of worldly states to bring the world these to point of readiness to enter wisdom
afterwards the these wisdom states continue the same practice so the source
have the aspiration
and the source of the practices which take care of the aspiration is the wisdom
which the aspiration is yearning for
diluted beings do not think of the aspiration for wisdom on their own
the aspiration comes because wisdom because diluted being diluted living beings somehow are touched somehow have a communion with wisdom
or the fruits of wisdom while the wisdom and or its fruits so the wisdom can fruit
as the practices of this of the body surface saw a living being can see a bodhisattva practicing they can see the practices that are coming from there are the fruits of wisdom and when they see them somehow they wished to practice those practices
so the source of the aspiration is the wisdom which the aspiration comes to flower as
so the first part of the process from the seeds to the flowering is a mundane process of purifying the mundane states to the point where they enter wisdom from then on the same practices with the same names and the are the basically the same practices
now don't just purify the mundane states they liberate the mundane states
leading which it and this is the fruit of of enlightenment is too
transform the mundane states in to transcend and states of freedom and peace which will then become the source to inspire other living beings to to inspire other living beings to aspire to the same process which is now fruiting
in the form of
this perfections same practices but after awakening
in a sense
the practices
the leading to the worldly purification which comes to flower as wisdom those practices are
our interests psychic
an interpersonal
so for example giving is something you do interest psychically practice generosity towards your own states your own feelings your own judgments your own pain your own pleasure your own intentions you practice giving an ethics and patients
and diligence and concentration with your own states leading to wisdom about
your own your own states and also these are practice giving an ethics and patients into personally
such practice the practice leading to awakening to wisdom as interests like again interpersonal
tonight i want to talk a little
about the state of awakening the state of wisdom the state of wisdom innocence is not really interpersonal
it's more like it's more interests like or it's not even interests like it's enter wisdom
it's the realm of it's the realm of entering reality where there isn't exactly you know interpersonal possibilities
you know because there's nobody else and they've not even you
there's just the way things are and the way things are said it's you know
to say that there aren't any people isn't right and to say that to say that there's nobody else isn't right and to say that there is somebody else isn't right either so the so now i want to talk about this this state
the this the state that's entered the state of awakening and it's an awakening
it's like it an awakening could say
it's awakening from a dream in a dream or you could say it's awakening it's an awakening
hum a dream in a dream
or ten awakening
to a dream in a dream
saad the the early teachings of the buddha
taught that all phenomena are impermanent
ill and not self or maybe i should say ill impermanent not self and when people
did the practices they could come to see that that's the way things were
most people imagine that things are permanent
even though this the suffering they think that some things are actually in themselves gonna give them happiness and they think that things and beings have an independent existence
and this teaser these are three characteristics of all phenomena that were taught and early buddhism in the bodhisattva path and my on of a great vehicle one of the basic teachings about all phenomena is that there
only conscious constructions
at things only exist as conscious construction
this is not an ontological statement this is an epistemological statement
and when we say that things only existence conscious construction it doesn't really mean doesn't mean that they really exist
it's just that when they do exist that's the way they exist
things don't exist on their own
they only exist through conscious construction
without conscious construction things don't exist but it's not that things really don't exist because by conscious construction they do
things really we don't really not exist
because by conscious construction they do but also think don't really exist because they only exist
did they do exist but they only exist as conscious constructions that's the only way they exist but that's not a real existence that jester
i dreamt up existence there's just got
a dream existence is a he said deceptive existence because conscious construction not only is that the only way that things exist but kind but but the conscious construction is such that things look like they exist really
so things exist but they don't existant with the way of telling you that they don't come by saying okay i'm just a conscious construction they're they're constantly they're constructed in such a way that they give the impression that the real
at the existence is a real existence
because if they didn't look like a real existence then they wouldn't look at they exist
but they do cut they exist
and that's false because they look like exists more than just as conscious construction but somehow they can show themselves
otherwise we are uneducated people would not be able to see them
like it would look like almost a person somewhere in the neighborhood but not really
a phantom person we wouldn't think was a real person but that's actually a way that's the way people are you said their phantoms
but their fandoms that whereas a bad thing i'm not a phantom
i'm a real person
there is substantial beings because the can see their thought constructions but they say i'm substantial they they they have a mask on you know a persona that looks solid
now there's some other things that don't look solid but they look actually very clearly not solid
and so on
as to look introduction and i like to save something else which might help and that is
the the with the first wisdom
that we enter his wisdom with images
the next wisdom is wisdom without images
and the next wisdom is wisdom with images
so the first wisdom which wakes up to the teachings that i just said the first wisdom which understands actually gets it not just and not just a ah
the not just the way you get it like when you're first heard about conscious construction some of you thought maybe as cool kind of i kind of get that
in some people may say i don't get it
the ones who said i don't get it in some ways they have an easier time because
after hearing it quite a few times and saying i don't get it it might happen to them that suddenly they go oh i get it
in other words when you when you hear the teaching that that all it all phenomena are just mind constructed
are just images are just concepts and not just not just sit there concept but they're constructed concepts they're not just like really concepts their mind constructed concepts when you hear that teaching
and you do these practices we been talking about enough
a time comes when you understand it in a way
that you never understood before
a new way
and the way you understand is such that
your understanding is infallible irrefutable
and is the basis for wisdom
and the way you understand at first is that you have images about this teaching that all phenomena are just
pod constructions
you actually received the teaching through images through word images
over and over and over along with your other practices
there's take care your aspiration to understand this teaching to have the wisdom which understands his teaching
and so when you first understand his teaching you understand it with images
you wonder you have images you have word images which have been telling you that all the images are looking at are just thought constructions and when you first understand it
you have the teaching which you understand and you understand the teaching is the way things are the way things are is now the teaching which you have been given
but the way they are is that the is the understanding
which wakes you up
from your belief that things are substantial which you which you now realize you have had
you know i see how much you didn't believe the teaching before when you heard it and you did believe the illusion of substantially and now you don't anymore
when you first had that it's it's not exactly an imaginary why did it's kind of an imaginary but maybe better it's a thought constructed hundred it's a phenomenon it's a wisdom which is also thought construction
which understands thought construction and understand that that's the way everything's really are and this happens to be the teaching which you've heard which you received with images with in images and with the word images you now understand it
and and then
ah without understanding you continue the practice and you'll come to the point where you're ready to now give up
the images that you used to understand that everything's thought construction and then you have what's called not imaginative or non conceptual wisdom
you understand without you understand concepts
you understand concepts and other words you understand every phenomenon
for you is just concept
you see that but you have no concept by which you see that all you're looking at all day long is concepts
but you have no concept of that
you just have an understanding that what you're looking at is a concept and nothing more than a concept
in other words you understand that you're always looking at your mind and not just your mind but you're looking at your mental construction
but you understand this now non conceptually before you that you understood it but you had concepts by which you understood it and that's a correct understanding
but there's still a concept intervening your understanding of concepts now you understand directly which is more profound and pure
however this non conceptual way
doesn't purify
the read the all the states of mental construction which will follow the which will follow the flowering
so in order to continue to transform the results of past karma which have not been completely transformed
you have to go back to conceptual wisdom because the conceptual wisdom can interact with these conceptual states the non conceptual wisdom doesn't interact with them
so the the
the amount of transformation of our
psychophysical being which is necessary for wisdom is not the same as the amount
i've transformation of our physical being our psychophysical evolutionary process that's necessary for or call unsurpassed complete perfect enlightenment
which is the fruit
are practicing after wisdom
it's bringing these same practices which lead to wisdom to complete fulfillment which you excuse me for saying is buddhahood so there's you
there's an initiatory wisdom
which to ask concepts which leads to a deeper wisdom which doesn't have concept which doesn't lead to a deeper wisdom exactly but in some sense leads to a less or more shallow wisdom
not executive shallow but a more workable a wisdom that can more engage with the purification process again the non conceptual wisdom
ah is is realized but it had but has to allow an article back to conceptual wisdom in order to continue the process of transforming the physical comic continue on to the point of unsurpassed final complete unsurpassable perfect enlightened
which then becomes the most effective source to inspire others to aspire to the process
so the an entry into this ah this non conceptual wisdom in a sense is was kind of famous as zen it looks like sudden awakening because one moment in one moment you've been studying out any been you've been doing quite well
in your practice because you're now on you've gotten to a place for in the threshold of awakening
you've been doing all these wonderful practices your wisdom practice now it's ready to be realized so there's been a lot of transformation by doing these practices these six practically six practices the sixth one however is not really been fully realized yet
are not even been realized enough to awaken from the dream you still believe that things are little bit more than just your idea
you still believe that some things are not conscious constructions only you think there are a little bit more than why yeah they're a little bit conscious conscious construction but they're also a little bit more than that
yeah i know that my idea that christians are really nice person that's just my idea but she's a little bit more than that
and it's not just a potential issues a little bit more than that but i know she's little bit more than that
in other words i don't really believe this teaching
that what i know is just conscious construction i don't really believe it
and i haven't been believing it for quite a while but by practicing these five perfections
we get ready for the sixth one where you actually now realize that you do really believe it not completely are now convinced and it's the first time you are convinced like this
you are a little bit convinced are a lot can this before and now you're much more convinced
and you get and it happened suddenly and for the first time and you have much more confidence in the teaching and your understanding of it than you did before and you're much more aware that you didn't believe it before and you didn't see it before
so there has been lodged change leading to this now we have the six perfections are working
wisdom has been initiated and then again
we're going to the non conceptual wisdom but in non conceptual wisdom
it's it's not possible to interact and transform
other states have bought construction which will still keep a rising
but with the conceptual wisdom all these states that are met each one with this test will still rise and as kind like puff the magic dragon they'll come up they'll be dealt with with the wisdom and they'll be resolved
conscious construction only
here comes another one
conscious construction only every time that happens
the the residual
evolutionary background of a living being which produces it is transformed and produces another one but eventually all these states will be exhausted and you come to a state of awakening where does no more production
of cosmic consciousness
and there's no more world
however you you also still can see all the living beings
through their eyes
and teach the same teaching that was that you are taught and that you've been practicing with all along
another i decided to invention this example
the example of was just two examples one i will i'll just say one now and then maybe i'll bring up another one there was once the other one after you ask questions i'll start with the example of a magician or a magic show and the traditional example is
that the a magician uses some materials
to perform
a magical fruit such that people see
a an elephant
and the people see this appearance of an elephant and the people think that it's actually an elephant
not just an appearance of an elephant
the magician sees the appearance of the elephant which the magician has successfully conjured with met with magical skill
but the magician or just not a real elephant
the audience sees the appearance and thinks it's real
but also the magician knows that the a actually is a conjuring and it isn't really there which there are the materials that that she used to make this elephant appearance
but she does see the the elephant appearance
so the awakened and the unaware can both see the elephant appearance
but the underway can do not see the materials making up the elephant
and they also think the elephants are real elephant but the awakened
they do not they do not see the real elephant
they do not see it
they know that some people do see it but they they don't see it they know it's totally and it's just a phantom his sister totally imaginary
but the appearance of the elephant is also a phantom but it's a phantom which the magician nose is a phantom but the magician does see the phantoms so the enlightened person sees the phantom knows it's a phantom and doesn't see the real elephant the non found amounts of element and nobody sees that
they just imagine they do country is no such thing as the real elephant in this in the story and the magician also can see the materials that make the phantom
elephant appear
however when when they look at the
when they look at the appearance of the elephant they don't see the materials
when you look at the materials they don't see the elephant they see the materials
by looking at the materials and not seen the elephant the appearance of the elephant the appearance of the elephant is our call it is
what's the word is recovered
the magician looks at the materials and then recovers the appearance which is conjured by the materials so from the materials
that make the elephant
the magician gets the appearance of the elephant
from looking at the appearance of the elephant
without the idea that it's real you get the materials
one more part of this is
and the appearance of the elephant which is conjured in which the enlightened person the magician and the audience the unenlightened the most see that
but the magician sees that this conjuring is
free of the real elephant
and seeing that's free of the real elephant
the magician continue to continue to understand
the absence of that real elephant in the appearance of the elephant they understand the materials that make the appearance
so that's the first kind of example to use and now i opened for response is yes
soho counters up the material that just users to me
who conjures up the materials
what kind of up the materials

i think past conjuring
kind of the materials
because the materials are really just the ah
the thing that makes the appearance of the elephant
so the elephant ah
the elephant want is conjured
it implies that that if you know the things that make it
and that yeah so
yeah and so the things that make it
are are are they are no sense also conjured
by the conjuring of the elephant
and even even the materials that make the conjuring in a sense also dependent on the fast elephant
because ah
the false elephant or the the imagination of real elephant is what the details that make the conjuring of the appearance of the elephant
i have a function
canton often
no the phantom elephant does not conjure itself
the phantom elephant is conjured by things other than itself
name these materials
ah it is conjured by many things other than itself is not made myself my of fact in technical terms the conjured elephant is called the other dependent
so all that really exists in the world all the really exists in our life
ah are other dependent phenomenon that's the only way things exist which is another way to say all that exists
his on
i thought constructions
the thought constructions are not make themselves they're constructed of other material
like past thought constructions
so this thought construction this phantom elephant is made of materials that have made past phantom elements which is why there's no real elephant
but there is a bot construction elephant elephant that doesn't make itself
and isn't so there isn't a who that makes
that makes so unless you want to call in know a piece of wood who
ah it's great it is great called the great vehicle
this is the great vehicle this teaching
and this reality yes

because they wanted something right there
do you remember you are
so i said magician seized it the appearance which is he's trying to conjure but doesn't see the materials even though be even while before he conjured he just saw the materials so got the materials and a conscious with him and suddenly has the appearance at that time he's looking at the appearance he doesn't see the materials anymore
it's like figure ground switches
and i want to say that the
materials by which the conjuring happens
hey is the absence of the reality of the appearance
the fact that you use something to make the appearance to make the magic
is why this magic lacks real existence
the stop you used to create
is the reason why the stuff created is not real
a smoke and mirrors yeah but i'm just saying at the smoke thick ghana which is which anyway the materials in the materials you used to create the illusion of something existing
those materials again when you when the existence comes into play you lose track of the materials but still those materials are really the absence of the reality
of what's been conjured so and that the materials are actually what you if you understand that this thing is lacking reality you you get to find out the materials
you discover the materials
when you watch the show and and aren't full bad anymore that's like being a magician's apprentice you you can watch the show and your teacher in the magician shows you the the appearance by which you used to think was real and shows you that is not real when it shows you is not real he suddenly realized the materials that make it which are
the absence of the reality
so the absence of a real elephant in the appearance of the elephant is represented by maybe some pieces of wood and some oil or something
or smoke you know
isn't that great
yes beer

it might be the artist's way of saying to us
all phenomena are conscious construction only
and say that to us in a way hopefully that would encourage us to look at the picture again and again
until we actually see
you know that are ordinary life is like that painting

u s you're asking me can i give an example of something that doesn't look solid really is
but really is solid
are you asking me to give you an example of something that does not look solid but really is
well like if you if you oic right or i also said
solar maybe i said so if you see something that you think is insubstantial
for vague like sort of sort of a person
at that moment you might possibly think well that's sort of a person but that really is sort of a person and is definitely not a regular solid person and you actually kind of think this is substantially not a regular person
see you see something like you think it's bot there's fog and you think this is a foggy day this is not these aren't clear skies
the didn't quite work for you it looks like i don't want to see the bells going off
yeah so i'm just saying if you say something's not solid when people think that something's not solid they think that there's substantially not solid as a most people think
solid and this insulin that's not that really is not solid
and they didn't they think that's actually that way and i say it is called to can have an argument about it perhaps
and doesn't mean that that even if you understand as mean you kind of arguments and i'd like to go back to john because east we stopped have no can you still remember okay great wow

why not in not the magician this is the magician who's been a magician a long time and this magician now can't do magic anymore
this is a a musician has gone beyond being able to do major being magic anymore
and now can only do magic
by through bye bye bye used by through the minds of a beings who have not yet got to the point of being retired magicians
okay now we get


which is why

when you say that being demeaned the audience
he said

well probably i couldn't quite follow it but he probably got it
well as also
we now we can go back and look at a more carefully and see and see but try again
bitumen basically say the same thing maybe of all our catch it the second time
by the way what we're doing right now is an example where we're both trying to be magicians right now okay
right this weekend we can do this together you know want if we won't be rigid about who is the magician who is the apprentice okay where the year teaching me to see you're conjuring or i'm helping you teach my country but may have to cooperate here for us both to see this this phantom idea here so go ahead

no yeah when i say the magician sees the image first ah in in actual in practical situations probably in the magician grew up and saw magic of shows and then was initiated into seeing that the substantial aspect of it was not there
somebody showing them how it was a phantom so they've got initiated into them by somebody showing them it actually is this the oh my god
not not know now is what shall i use this and i see it
we look at the time at the between the magician on the apprentice they don't need to have the audience anymore because they both have had some experience in themselves are being the audience
so the middle the magician takes an apprentice who who is now who's really an audience person and shows the audience person the trick
so then the diapers now and it has been awakened the apprentice has not been awakened into the illusionists of this substantially
and the way that they that the way that they are awakened is by showing and stuff that they use to make this appearance when they see the stuff they see the absence of what they do what they saw before disappears when they see the stuff that makes the appearance now they are initiated
now the case of an hour together right now what's next part your questions
oh well he he does he does these shows maybe for his apprentice and then he does it for the audience and he watches if the audience airy are enjoying
if they're not fooled then he's gonna try it another way that not only worked for him and his apprenticed
i worse for the audience
because actually there might be some apprentices are magicians in the audience he actually wants to see if can actually trick magicians to because everybody out there is actually a magician but doesn't know it
why like a lot of people everybody out there is a magician and some of them don't know it and the ones who do not the magician actually want how if you if that person not going to come back again analysts magician can for them to so at that point imaging of such sensitive to his audience
to actually make an appearance that would that would fall the audience to and this magician is
her stevenson who who's running it past karma
past past conjuring of images and past believing that the real makes it possible for us to both make conjuring that are believed as real and also discover that actually these countries lack reality is so when the teaching interacts acts with
our semi-conscious magical activity we start to gradually open up to the process and we become magicians
and we then magicians or long we just in our standards and because we don't understand it we were fooled by the magic of our karma


the difference is that the body certain magician is not worried about losing the audience and having and and not have and having no income
they've already got a huge audience no problem and are they start telling people about this how can they tell people about this
and have people still be willing to pay attention to this to learn this process
on the way they do it is that somebody may be more advanced than them has inspired these people to want to be awakened to the process of the magic because they understand they've got the message somehow that they don't understand this process they will suffer
so the magician has come to understand this process by doing practices and the magician can tell people how they can do practices so they will also be initiated this and become free of suffering and be able to actually help others
so somebody other than the magician actually got the magician going
one sec somebody the karmic process is keep his has made the magic
and beings who have understood this magic and been completely transformed or sending messages a practices how to learn this magic and become free of it
yeah and part of the apprentice training is that is in this case is to practice all these compassion practices and also want to be want to be somebody who understands the magical show not to make a living
falling people but make a living getting people to want to join the magician cap
one to learn how to tune into the magic and become free of it and i pulled by anymore for the sake of helping other people who are to core forth so we we in some sense want to make everybody in audience into magicians and then have people have to graduate from being magicians
and that inspire everybody else who has not yet a magician to become a magician and again graduate from that
marjorie and and timo
okay you're retired from your question
one people say is the difference between and conscious construction after phantom other man and the conscious construction off was caught in this story to the other plan
the say
do you mean like the difference in the in the process of construction of the to
they're both conscious construction site and that is a dependent karate gets a one the first one will just to say that again maybe we'll get to hear the the key point the consciousness fraction of the appearance of the elephant the awakened person sees and the underweight and person sees
and the underway can persons person than in addition there is a conscious construction that it's a real elephant
and the awaken person does not have the conscious construction that it's a real elephant
so your question is what's the difference between the way and on wake and person
last day the audience
just make the audience i think i get the answer your question okay
the that the conscious construction of the real elephant depends on the the ability of sentient beings to project essences on appearances
and we have this tendency to project essences on appearances because based on these projections of essences we can make conventional designations so because the the the the depend or rising of the attribution of real elephant on the appearance comes from using language
because we have proper using language unless we have put a essence on an appearance
so that would be the story of how
a living being would project the reality or substance on the appearance which is a conjuring
but didn't see more questions about that


the people see
so polls are
well that that's no excuse me but that's a possible scenario but usually when magicians actually have one call real elephants you know what they do is they had the real elephant there on the stage but nobody can see it
and then they use and then they use conjuring to get people look at something else which is really a trick but they thought they think it's are they think it's a real thing they don't understand that it's just an illusion that the magician is putting up there to get them to look at that so the real elephant can come on the stage and then they can
see it but it's the magicians magic than is not it's not to make the elephant it's to get them to look at something else so they can't see the elephant
so what they do as they make this thing happened here that people think is not a trick to get the to distract them and they believe that
they don't see that hit that that the magicians vertices i'm going to trick you know to look over here and then they bring the elephant on and no one can see the elephant come onto the stage so that's actually the way they do it when they have a real elephant that you can go in touch
but it's it's all based on something other than what appears
which is
the absence of reality
glad you have more question i can see
yeah we just take more wary
there is not really difference between
i'm in both cases of
the manifestations

what people

i couldn't for that but
is difference off a three
is there a different tune and dream of an elephant and a real elephant is
the believes
if you if if i have a dream of an elephant
i i i might not believe that that was a real elephant i might think that was a dream of an elephant right
are you talking about a case where i have a dream of an elephant and i think there's a real elephant to
views by yeah and he doesn't think it's a real elephant yeah yeah so in that case watch your question
there is not there's not a difference in there right there there's not a difference of the essence of the phenomenon the the the the phantom that the appearance of the elephant the essence of that is that it doesn't have an essence the
essence of that it's a real elephant doesn't have an essence and the the way that the phantoms the way that the phantoms made the way that the appearances constructed how does constructed is because it's constructed by various things and that doesn't have an essence either
however that's not the and that's a thought that's a contract instructed to the way that disappearance occurs is a conscious construction also
and and when you see how that when you see how that is you realize that the first one is it is non-existent that the substance of tangier often doesn't exist at all
if you can see that abstinence gone it's not there in the phantom but they're all each one of them are are conscious constructions but they're different types of conscious construction
i sometimes find myself similar position i help people make recordings and sometimes we use a real piano
use a keyboard sounds like a piano and i'm i asked myself it doesn't matter so people really don't want to use a piano
he made some people who no one he's a keyboard
which could be called a fake piano yes but you don't have to call to take piano you just gotta keyboard
but they call up in yonkers
some people call it a piano okay and and they and they asked themselves as many as me doesn't matter arrive and credit talk to them about whether other matters whether we use a real piano to sitting right there or the keyboard which is boy
and my my conclusion is then go back for it because i'm one listener can't tell the difference
it's a piano and that's that
but also i think that there's there's a subtle difference i there's a subtle difference experience pianists for example can almost always hear the difference between a real piano recording keyboard
and i think even on experience panelists and says maybe subconsciously that it's it's not the recording of a live acoustic piano there's something sympathetic about it and i think there's something like that in this elephant example that the
i think timo it sounds familiar to most fishing for is is there something to the experience of really seeing it all of it it's different from the experience of seeing something i tricked you into thinking consciously that you're saying but
okay this is this situation is is as you can see it's rather subtle and delicate okay this is a good example
each each phantom his different because each phantom has made from different stuff
the phantom that arises when the magician is using a keyboard to make the music is a different phantom from the phantom that rises when a person uses a piano to make the phantom two pianos make phantoms and keyboards make fan
items and that different things are making those two things
and then he had people in the audience who believe that there's a real piano and a real keyboard
most people think there's a real piano and a real keyboard
because they believe that
it's more difficult for them to actually hear and see the two appearances which have different materials making these appearances
if they can actually
disabuse themselves that a real piano and real keyboard a rook piano and fake piano that they can somehow stop seeing that there's a substantial thing called real piano then they will be actually able to hear that these are two different things made from two different things and and then they will
there are just as you say sense you could say subconscious but also maybe some subtle wisdom
that's sort of wisdom comes from the initiation he is come here in the teaching of conscious construction only
which they've never done to shelly here need to hear the words but there's something about the art process which might initiate them into that understanding so that they can actually hear and see for see you know the difference in those two phantoms and realized that both those phantoms lack
substantial existence that they're both just conjure asians and then they still may prefer to use a real piano rather than a keyboard
they still may have that that they wish to work with that material to make the phantom that the appearances of this type of music
within a huge they may choose to do the other one so i think what matters
is that they actually can experience the music aside from thinking that this is a real piano or real music or real beauty a real meaning aside from
conjuring of mean music conjuring of beauty conjuring of art
but most people think there's a real art that that's real music that there's real beauty rather than there is only consciously constructed
beauty and only consciously constructed ugliness
otherwise if you've got consciously constructed beauty you're going to hold onto it and then you're going to suffer with that consciously constructed beauty and that suffering we've got to suffering but it's not just to get to suffering but you don't have the consciously constructed
phenomena of the actual
not the actually the only way the music really is is that as consciously constructed and you're out of touch with that
because your obscuring it with this is real music or this is this is really better music this is something other than the conscious construction of better music
it's possible the summons some people some reeling in some artists actually tune into being able to look at the appearance free for a while because of their devotion to their work they opened to the reality of the art of the music
which is free of the attribution of something other than conscious construction
and then they actually see what makes it and then eight than the there in touch with the creative process but the creative process is really
the absence of substance in the art
somebody told me that he thinks that you ask artists are the i know are you
hardy put it so maybe most artists do not go around telling people that what they're into is like liberating beings from suffering but then he thought of another way that you could ask him the theater will sure that's what i mentioned
i forgot how i put it
but i think a lot of artists are not saying that that's what they're up to
delivered liberate people from suffering or deliberate beings from being fooled by appearances
but whether they say so or not i mean
with whether he says so or not i think that's what bach was doing
whether he knew it or not i think when you got in there in the middle of that form there's something happened
and nobody ever understand what happened including him nobody understands how we that music could happen is it's inconceivable how that music could happen and bot didn't know either but some i got in a position where he somehow
could let it alone while he was working with this form to in it so diligently so diligence is based on patients and ethics and generosity and aspiration to make true beauty or make truth or to meet god in his case
but then you have to be diligent and concentrated and then you open to what open to that things are just conscious constructions only nothing more
and if you're working with
an organ and or what highly trained mind
it could be this music
and everybody's looking at how could it happen nobody knows and he didn't know either how could how could he possibly how could this happen
in that space miracles happen
things are created
and they're created by materials and and the materials are the absence of substance
but absence of something doesn't mean there's nothing there
what there is conscious construction
so yeah so this is a
a good example
yes link

beginning this time
not time beginning beginning less time

i didn't say beginning of time
i said beginning lists beginning listed come from beginning this time it's a type of time that doesn't have a beginning

right i don't think the originator a person i think the six perfections come from the complete transformation of a person
if you put transformed person you get the six perfections and then the six perfections are offered to persons who aren't completely transformed
and it's not and the completely transformed person has become transformed out of time that has beginning and end
the completely transformed person has no beginning and no end

the the materials for understanding
in such a way as to become free of suffering come from the no beginning no end place and the no beginning no end place
is the result of the practices applied to beings who live in beginnings and endings like us we live in the realm of beginning and endings these teachings come from a place of no beginning and no ending therefore there for people in beginnings or endings to do practices to enter into
the insubstantial the of beginning and endings to enter into the totally thought constructed
consciously constructed nature of beginnings and endings by entering into them we realize freedom from the substantially of beginnings endings and and the first entering into freedom from beginnings and endings has a beginning but after you enter into no beginning and no ending
and the thing that the thing that gets us to start in the process the things that gets us going into the practices which will take us to a place of beginning to understand the place of no beginning and ending
that has a beginning and an end
the messages that come to us to teach us how to enter for the first time the realm of know beginning ending those things have beginnings and endings those are the teachings which come in the form of images images have a front end in a backhand
you know like a sentence comes in and it comes beginning in and stops the teachings have beginnings and endings when we first meet them
the buddha has a beginning and an ending with first meet the buddha
and we use this beginning and ending teaching to initiated into the realm and at the initiation is a beginning and enter the enter into the realm that doesn't have an end or beginning
and after we enter we we don't have an end anymore
but we have not yet realize the ramona beginning at the beginning of that

that's right

that's right
that's right however you can't see the materials that conjure unless you see the absence of a reality and the conjured
when use again when you see the materials that are involved in the conjuring you relieved of the of the subtalar of the conjured
you realize that the conjured is isn't in the cup that this the the reality of substance the non conjured aspect of the contract is absent when you see how it's made
and the things that you used to make this particular thing they're also conjured and you can see what makes them if you don't think they're real
it makes you look lineage and whole different way for what doesn't make you it allows you to get a it
enlarge it
i want to get know what i've said that in this realm of of understanding that things are just conscious construction it has a three qualities one is quality of unity
next it has a quality of duality and next is called a multiplicity
the unity is you understand that everything's conscious construction and everything so everything's just conscious construction all things are one mind
and what it knows are completely identical then also there's duality because the mind and the knowing and known or two
and as multiplicity in that there's endless varieties of conjured things

moments are important
melissa or robert moments r r obert opportunity moments is roy practice presence mama is where we practice generosity moment is where we do all these practices in order to enter into the conscious construction only
in moments
ah there is i i do it i can i can i can share the conscious construction know that that's that's where they happen
that's only a conscious construction that that's that's where they happen only

they're creepy but you and i don't uninterested in that one right we don't i'm not particularly into that one but if you wanna go there i'll join you
we can go to the can we can say actually moments aren't the best place for conscious construction online

i think it's fair to stop right here in the middle of of of this amazing situation
i really don't have to stop we're just going to go out of the room and continue forever
thank you very much
you're welcome and thank you for your great service at the doors
it makes it a very high quality