Xiang Yin's monk name was, the characters mean, Wisdom Barrier. I thought that was really interesting because he very much had a wisdom barrier as part of his history. And the barrier to wisdom was the barrier to wisdom in his case. He saw himself separate.

[01:13]

You said he saw himself separate. Another way to put that was for him the barrier to wisdom was the way he saw things. His understanding was a barrier to wisdom. His mind was a barrier to wisdom. So his teacher says, give me a word from before this barrier. And finally the word came, and the word was apparently the sound of a stone hitting bamboo.

[02:22]

This is a word that came before this barrier arose, before his barrier consciousness was born. So then he offered barriers to his students And some of the ancestors in the Zen tradition says that it's good for us to look at the barriers that ancient teachers offered and were offered, the barriers that came to them and the barriers that they gave to their students. So Xiang Yan offered to his students, a person has gone up a tree on a thousand-foot precipice.

[03:30]

In her mouth, she is biting a branch of a tree. Her feet will not step onto the tree and her hands will not grab onto the branch. Under the tree suddenly there appears a person who asks, what was the ancestral teacher's intention in coming from the West? Just at that moment, if she opens her mouth to answer the other, she loses her body and life. And if she does not answer, she goes against what the other is asking. Now say, just at such a moment, what are you able to do?

[04:36]

Then one of the teachers in the group steps out of the assembly and says, I do not ask about when she has gone up the tree. I ask before she goes up the tree, Please, Master, say, what's the situation then? The Master bursts out into laughter. Yes?

[06:45]

What is the form of the question? In the Zen school which has the, what do you call it, the legendary, the mythical, the religious founder, the spiritual archetype founder, is the ancestor who came from India. So when we ask what is the intention of the ancestor coming from the West, we mean what is the intention of the Buddhas. So, somebody's asking you, what is the intention of the Buddhas?

[07:52]

Yeah, but you're hanging by your teeth from the trees, so how are you going to answer the question? Are you going to let go? It's already answered? What does it sound like when you answer? Hang by my teeth. Yeah, but what does that sound like? What does it sound like to hang by your teeth? No, you're opening your mouth. You're not hanging by your teeth anymore. You let go. You said it was hanging by your... Yeah, it was already too late. But I gave you another chance.

[09:00]

I gave you another chance. So... What's that chance? You mean the third chance. What is the meaning of the ancestors coming from the West? What is the intention of the ancestor coming from the West? Are you biting the branch? So you can't ask any more questions. Any non-biters want to ask her a question? She's done for. Pardon? Wrong. The right answer is biting the branch. That's your situation, right?

[10:04]

Except you don't say so. Because if you say so, you just let go of the branch. You did it too. You're both dead. I'm sorry, but you're always talking about pleasing the dentist. I don't think the dentist would be liking this. Unless you have false teeth. Well, then they get more business. They get more business. Well, then you're dead. Then you're dead, yeah. It's a cycle. Are you dead? Yeah, well... I didn't ask you the question. Xiang Yan did. I asked him like the other guy. Before she goes up the tree, how about that? You need to bite before you go up.

[11:09]

You haven't gone up yet. Then what do you say? You didn't laugh. Oh, he laughed. You didn't laugh. The master laughed. You didn't. Now, oh, she's laughing. Now you're laughing. Now you're laughing. Are you copying? You're not quite ready to laugh? I'm laughing. That's because as close as you're going to come? Yeah. Okay, good. Then you're like the master. The master laughed. Before you go up the tree, you can laugh. when somebody asks you or when somebody tells you about before the tree. But once you're up the tree, biting the branch, that's your job. And it's not a very pleasant job.

[12:17]

Harden your teeth, harden your jaw muscles, but you're motivated to keep biting. You're also motivated to help the person down below. But they can see when they ask you, they can see something. They can see your effort. So what is worth saying?

[13:25]

What is so good to say that it's worth letting go of the branch? How about, I don't ask you about being up in a tree. I ask about before going up.

[14:32]

Is that worth, is that a good response to this request for the intention of the ancestor? Is that yourself before you were born? This afternoon it seems like if you're biting that branch, that's your response. That's what you need to do. But if you're biting the branch, it could also be for you to say what the monk in the assembly said.

[15:46]

as you're falling through space, you can say, what about before I got up in this tree? Is that a word from before going up in the tree? Yeah, I'm tired, I'm tired of holding on to, I was tired of holding on to that branch. I was tired. Please ask my successor. I thought it was worth saying that I happened to be tired and I thought that would be useful to tell somebody.

[16:57]

That I just happened to be too... Yeah, right. I just happened to be too tired to answer your question. And... I really wasn't too tired to hold on to the branch more. I wanted to tell you I'm too tired to answer your question. So you should ask my successor. My teacher is the one who got me in this situation. But I didn't let go because I was tired, I let go because I wanted to help. But the way I wanted to help was to tell that I was too tired to say anything other than that. Now is that, I'm too tired, the same as before I went up in the tree? Does what it's like before I was born and before I went up in the tree, does that sound like it?

[18:25]

He says, yes, it does sound like it. Does sounding like it mean that it is it? Or just that it sounds like it? Just that it sounds like it. David? Once you begin thinking about sounding like one of them, no. But if you just throw it out, sound like it, yes. Did somebody say it didn't sound like it? Who was that? Who was that? Where is he? Is he with us any longer?

[19:39]

Yeah. Really? What's his name? Any further offerings this afternoon that you care to make? Yes? The sight of hanging from the tree seems like hearing the sound of the , that he heard.

[20:54]

Hanging from the branch sounds like the sound of the pebble hitting bamboo? No. It feels like there's something similar. Like it could be a moment of that kind. Just silently hanging from the branch. Does the person who's looking up and seeing that, do they hear the sound of the stone hitting the bamboo? They could. Then why do they ask what the intention of the ancestor coming from the West?

[22:18]

Maybe they weren't ready to hear the sound. I thought you said they did hear the sound. Are you reconsidering? If I don't hear it, how would I know? It's a gift in support of the person hanging from her teeth. Pardon? As a gift in support of the person hanging by the tree. Yeah. Or as a gift to support the person hanging by their teeth from the tree.

[23:23]

to let them know that you appreciate their effort, that their effort has been fruitful, that you heard the meaning, you heard the intention, of the ancestor coming from the West. That word that is translated as intention can also be translated as meaning. But instead of saying, ah, here's the intention of the ancestor coming from the West. The ancestor came all the way from India hanging from a branch that he was biting. And he went up, he went to visit the emperor and he was able to talk to the emperor while continuing to bite the branch.

[24:38]

He didn't let go of the branch when he talked to the emperor. The emperor asked him questions and he said, for example, I don't know, but he didn't let go of the branch when he said that. But the emperor didn't realize that he was biting a branch when he said, I don't know. So the emperor didn't understand. So he went and sat facing a wall for nine years, biting the branch. Yes.

[25:45]

You have a little story? Okay, let's hear the little story. Were these Italian dogs? Yes. Now, there's a phone in the middle of the rut, and there's two dogs, one's from Nopoli and one's from Chantelot. And the dog from Nopoli says, I'm going to get that phone and cover the street. One's in there, so I'll put some of this in there. The bike's on a pivot cart. And the dog from Chantelot is saying, I'm going to move. He's got the phone. So the Genoese dog says to the dog Pernopoli, says, where are you from? The Genoan dog asked the Neapolitan dog, where are you from?

[26:46]

Where are you from? And he says, Pernopoli. Drops the bone. And this dog grabs it right away. And he goes, I got the bone. But when he said, I got the bone, he dropped the bone. OK. He thought. He thought to himself quietly. He was smiling happily. The dog finally says to him, well, okay, now you've got the phone. Where are you from? And he goes, general. General. [...] General law is one of the few cities you can save and keep your peace together. It's very difficult to say you know what. It's hard to talk about you know what, but general law works really well. One of the greatest values comes from general law.

[27:50]

Well, yeah, so now we have this branch to bite for the rest of our life. And we can respond, hopefully, to the various requests that are put to us. But keep biting that branch. And in that way, we can take care of the meaning of the ancestor coming from the West. And we can realize who we are before we were born by taking care of this great vehicle that the ancestor came to transmit. So I hope that we can do this without getting tense.

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