Stories of Enlightenment

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In our class this fall we will contemplate and converse about several stories of Zen practice and enlightenment. Our contemplation and conversations will naturally bring up questions and concerns about our daily life and how to meet the great and small challenges of our wonderful and troubled world in beneficial and liberating ways.

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collection we've been meditating on stories
stories olive enlightenment
enlightenment stories
something like that i don't think it said stories about enlightenment
did it
i don't think so
cause it the stories aren't really about enlightenment
enlightenment is in here's a story enlightenment is
beyond stories

but in tradition of enlightenment
stories are used
to realize what is beyond stories

one of the
my guess principles of
enlightenment of the enlightenment school
also sometimes called the sand school one of the principles of the school is

not depending on words
and letters
words and letters or words and phrases
words and sentences not depending on that's kind of a to principle
of enlightenment
normally people are more or less
confined by
language
our consciousness
open the medium of exchange or the currency of consciousness his words and phrases so being kind of confined by our conscious mind is similar to being confined by words and phrases
and words and phrases can be used to realize not dependent on words and phrases

words and phrases can be used to demonstrate not depending on words and phrases the way of using there's a way of using them which doesn't depend on them
and so this fall by asking you to write poems
i'm kind of encouraging you to use words to demonstrate not depending on them
and you been
doing that thank you
and the stories the stories and poetry
can be used in that way and the
yeah so we cannot realize wordless wisdom with words
but we can realize and we do realize a wordless wisdom by the way we don't get attached doors
but you in order to demonstrate non attachment to words in order to demonstrate not depending on them is sorted have to use them to demonstrate that you're not been caught
so it isn't by use it isn't it isn't by using the words it's by using the words without depending on them and also not using words are avoiding words would be a kind of dependence
so that there is a wordless enlightenment a wordless wisdom
that does not avoid words

and so the spontaneous personal freedom
in the zen enlightenment school sometimes uses lots of words and in particular uses words of telling stories but also use his poetry
but not just to write poetry but to demonstrate this special way of using them which doesn't depend on them

just like enlightenment doesn't depend onwards but it it's also not running away from em not abiding in them or abiding outside of them
it totally includes them and is included in them enlightening pervades words
without relying on them and words pervade awakening
without being stuck in themselves or is being stuck in enlightenment

so some of the leaders of transmitting
a wisdom but beyond words
of transmitting a work out am a wordless wisdom are people who actually write a lot and talked a lot
maybe you've heard of the founder of the tradition shakyamuni he was actually quite a talkative person
he may have said much more than we have records of
and some of his six some of his disciples have actually produced records of their teachings which are more voluminous than the buddha
anyway the buddha did say quite a bit that got recorded and he may have set some other stuff to that people just didn't write down
like on
like when it gave a dharma talk
supposedly his attendant who had a very good memory
remember them all
but and then he would and then at a certain point in history he actually then recited all all the talks that he remembered the buddha gave but he didn't recite all the things buddha said as they're walking along the road or you know any money
some some of the stuff but mostly it's when boot of formerly said okay here's gonna be a talk okay ananda remember this by the way and to also
ah
join the buddhist community after the buddha had been teaching for quite a while
and after he had been with the buddha for quite awhile the buddha asked him to be as attendant and and under said okay i'll be your attendant and one of the conditions for me to be your attended is that you tell me all that talks that you've given that i didn't hear
and also if you give any talks
some place where i'm not than later
you tell me again so i'm so i have all in other words i wanted as part of being your attendant i want to remember all your talks
and the buddha said okay
so
it's hard to believe that but the story is he had this kind of mind
and that may be one of the reasons buddha asked him to be the attendant was to have somebody who could remember them all and he's and various senior students had various things that they were best at
like one was best at yes

also was our fast
never
sorry
the
here

i'm so also in the past i have suggested that enlightenment actually is
genuine whole hearted conversation

and number that me saying that
now i don't know if i mention this but
sort of implied it if i hadn't mentioned it enlightenment
liberates living beings
from
delusion
it liberates them from
the delusion not tonight the delusion of depending on words and phrases
if you are free of delusion you don't you don't get stuck and words
and then being free were free of suffering
however being free of suffering
doesn't mean you're on
a millimeter away from it
does not freedom of suffering one of the great things about being free of suffering as you don't have to go get away from it
like and and also you want to get away from suffering beings
before i was enlightenment through a lot of suffering beings around me and afterwards they were like nowhere in sight
i got a major like vacation from suffering
no start like that
again as i've often said buddha's sit in the middle of all beings
when they get enlightened they don't like jump out of the middle and go to a better neighborhood
so if there's any distance between buddha and suffering being a are suffering being be
the distance is not separate them
the buddha's teaching is pervading the person in that person's life is the buddha's life
so conversation is using for example words without abiding in them with are clinging to them
and as charlie
just mentioned he does quite a bit of work recording words and taking care of the recordings
and then he has the opportunity to do all that work without depending on his work
that's his opportunity to take care of all those records of all those teachings
without depending on them
and even if it does depend on me can still thinking
but the poor
the
the buddha's did not want us to depend on the buddha's words
however in order to not depend on them we have to listen to them

and we do so that's that's fine yes paul
it be too
oh i see
in order to in order to realize that we don't depend on them we have to listen to them and not listen to him but maybe also remember them
and like an unarmed he listened he remembered and then he actually expounded the buddhist teaching to after the it died he told people with the buddha said
the remembering and the recitation could all be opportunities to demonstrate non reliance which is already there
and in fact when buddha died unknown to had not yet learned how to do that
so you know if i die soon some of you might not have yet learned how to do that
but eventually a nod to learned how to why couldn't listen anymore because it would have died he he learned some things after the buddha died that he didn't learn when the buddha was alive he had this great capacity and this great devotion but he was still somewhat depending
he hadn't really realized what the buddha with
teaching him even though what the buddha's teaching him was already the case we do not actually depend on anything in a sense of
no attaching during every or you could say we don't depend on any one thing we depend on everything
but to think we depend on one thing or seventy five things that's are suffering but we don't
but if we don't practice that we don't realize it just like you're already you but but you have to do the job of being you in order to realize that you're already you like we said last week you understand the idea of packing and tapping but you don't understand you haven't understood the function
so you understand the idea of
gail
nila and paul right
but to her in order to understand the function of paul you have to not
real i depend on the word for the idea of paul and in order to realize that you don't you have to practice that
yeah
you do not call it the secretary
yeah
you have to walk the path with lots of secondary in order to demonstrate
and you don't fall into it is a and excuse the expression but it's kinda like a minefield the secondary is kind of become a minefield
but you have to walk through it and are to demonstrate that you're not falling into it oh there's an there's another one there's another one hi
yeah
we do not have to fall into it but again avoiding it you dispel
when you avoid the death of the difficult gotcha

so let's the tests that are not anywhere
the test
every word to test
the the verification
is is wordless it's beyond words and it then can use words in such a way that the way it uses him his demonstrating the the the freedom of them so that's why
i wanted you to start writing poetry and response to these teachings because part of zen tradition is to use poetry as a way to express freedom from words
doesn't mean you avoid trying to explain things but you do it in a way that you that you're really trying to demonstrate
the wordless by the words the wordless can talk word don't reach it but it can talk and the way it talks is the and the words are the test of toy of talking
so the words of thing the test whether the talkies come from coming from beyond words
so it isn't just good poetry it's poetry which teaches and
and the words that are teachings in don't reach then they express it they come from it
and then the way they're used seems to encourage people to see or you
these are wonderful words not to attach to their beautiful words not to be possessive of
yes don't just stretching your hands
so as like winner when a of the image
we got attached to it
image
yeah similar
yes

and to do
i think
am i
he's trying to get to you thought you were thinking of
you are thinking of enlightenment of some pleasure going yeah
words talked about
hey there
secondary second there
like it's all mixed together
i'm the way i do that
hi asha said see it as it
as and
yet
welp there so it it is it is fluid it's reciprocal
the function is reciprocal so the secondary and primary heart in a reciprocal relationship
i'm a go down the road
is in a sub reciprocal relationship with no go
and the idea that or that there's not a goal down the road is another thing which is in a reciprocal relationship with the route with the goal it's not done the road
so the idea of a goal down the road is here right now

golden not a goal but also a goal of some other place is actually here right now that that idea is here
and the function or depends on the going for goal as freedom
than the function of that freedom is to work with that goal in the idea of a goal to work with it and use the idea of a goal
in a reciprocal way

that you really you know more you're not because of the reciprocal of gold and no-go you're not more interested in no goal or goal
so again
that's it you're not caught by words
second thing that i just said it's another story
once again the thing that i just said about yeah
yeah
and and
yeah but also listen to people tell stories
even yourself
bit honor your honor the stories that your towing
like i just said honor the stars your me that was a story in a way
i think it would be appropriate if i wish to not fall into the secondary if i wish to not fall into trying to get enlightenment and i should honor my stories about this these situations and i should equally on yours
and i should equally be interested in you on her yours and you on remind
and in the thoroughgoing process i need all of you to under my stories and on or your stories and you need me to honor mine and yours
we need that but again it's already the case so we need in fact we need reality
and we've got it but we're not just needed we need to realize it
that it was not realized we suffer
because just not just accidental that we don't realize it we don't realize it because we're not practicing it
and somehow we have the practices
even though it's already the case

yeah that's right and their students can take the teachers further
the teacher is not moving well
hours
ah

this listen is how one person
who said
say that
who who
it the
a
nor does it doesn't actually prevented is just that unless we realize that with the static which seemed to prevent there is also a dynamic which makes to static not prevent yeah all i'm saying is that is
berlin
uncertainty the
right so what so what you just described his words
okay him and so now is anybody attached to the words which was your said
yeah good be and who might that be
a
who who might be attached to the words if who anybody up so if anybody is attached to the words
all right are we ready now to give up attachment to the words if anybody is attached
yes you just arrived are you already you're already ready
okay
a car
the gender pay
the me
a yes
here and air
language used
yes
railway station
and so
i fix it
it is something about it
this yummy
i
twice the words were there yeah
well she a react
yeah they are giving us the word they for us to listen to and not dwell on
and if they
if if if they or he or she are dwelling in they are here she then we have an opportunity
to not dwell
in the words at their dwelling
but it seems to me if somebody says let's try this let's try this they think that again i it would be good for me to listen to their story
and respect their story
but not to abide in their story
but to support me and them together becoming free of their story and meister
but not by but by listening to them and also been patient and not rushing them to not abide in they or he or she
listen to the he's listened to the she's listened to the days
these are all perfectly good stories to be free of
and free of again doesn't mean if are pretty positive free means be diligent with these stories
be diligent
practice due diligence with the stories
you know call the stories into question call they and a question
invite they to call he and the question and she into question invite them to infant
call them to account to help me be called into account how can how can i been more accountable to you or asking for this new use of they
the conversation again
and as result you might hear of listening you might be late for the yoga room
and then you can come and tell us why you're late and we say yeah that's that's the work we're doing here and sometimes they're not done talking had times so you can come on time but she
oh but you know that way we want you to do good job there and who want you to be thorough and respectful of what they're asking from you and also we want you to be thorough and respectful in the form of telling them or you want from them
and how they need to listen to your needs in order to become mature
and it does you know as i said they
they need this
we need this
we need this accountability
but it's okay to start with that you being accountable to them it's fine to start there because maybe they don't feel like their teachers have been accountable so we'll start with that
and then get more confidence and then
thank you and then
when they're more mature is a well how about now
may i call you into account and see him now you can i'm i'm ready to have you questioned me

tell
does it
gay took those are kind of like to questions that they that they asked
how can you know when you're not dwelling question one
now right there are you by any chance dwelling and knowing that you're not really
probably
when you're not dwelling and knowing that you're not dwelling
usually you don't ask that question
usually you're just a happy camper
so when you when you want to know it it probably means that you're still dwelling in knowing that you're not dwelling
but although you and you want to you kind of a little bit want to know i'm not dwelling
would you be similar to i'm free how do you know that your free when you're free
you're free of knowing that your free it's one of the best things about big free is your free of knowing that your free however you might know that you're free
so really knowing that your free kind of goes with being free of carrying that you know whether you know or not and actually being free of thinking metro free however you might still think i'm free will by the way i'm free even the buddha did say it here and there said
oh by the way i'm free
but the buddha didn't go walk around thinking i'm free
but if you asked the buddha your free budi say well yes
but the border wasn't like wondering when will i know i'm free but when you ask the boat the bonuses are they say yeah
when you think you're not free
again it's a it's as if you're thinking that you think you think you're not free are you feel you're not free actually you are free but you kind of think you're not and you would like to be
and then you would also like to know when you are what are the signs of being free but again when you're free you're not doesn't like we said in the first think my second glass
the path of peace
has no sign
the path of freedom from abiding and words has no sign
including it doesn't have to sign of you know you don't think you're free doesn't have that sign so you go around you could go around thinking i'm free i'm free i'm free and be free
in fact you are free and you can think you're free and you could also go i wanna be free
and you can also go i don't think i'm free but if you don't attach to i think i'm not free
then you realize that you're not caught by that thought i'm not free or him for him
what's the second question it was sometimes slip my monkey mind as
to just turned one and accept it and i suddenly feel in a
yeah
yeah and that that can happen
so when you when your monkey minds
doing its thing and also in addition to is doing a thing you're feeling crazy kay
when there is a turning towards that
why not just turning towards it but kind of like really letting it be
that's freedom
yeah than you do what you might not sometime you might just be free and just period however if you're free of the monkey mind
one of the nice things about being free of monkey mind is that freedom from monkey mind does not prohibit
the monkey mind coming back
leclair when you're free of monkey ah when you're free of monkey mind you're not saying
no my monkey mind and you're also saying more in a monotonous the and i'm saying more monkey much anyway it can happen you you realize for him and then next moment you think all freedom was realized or even i realized freedom
and you can do the same thing with that again and then you're free again
you don't have when you're free you don't have to think you're free but it's not prohibited
when you're buddha you do not have to think i'm buddha
but it it's okay you can do it just usually you don't
like how many times today did any of you think you are buddha
did anybody

there's a there's a football player because a football player
the then they called buddha is and isn't a buddhist something they call and buddha anyway
if you didn't you if you went to the day to day and didn't think you are buddha it might be that a buddha who went to to today same number of hours of the day also did not
but against sometimes people go up the borders
and they say
hello i you know i think you're a buddha and the buddha of course oh ah you're right
but before the person said that they didn't think it and then the and then they're kind of if excuse expression there over that
did i like it a stay here for a while with me being buddha
just like all boudin
so it's and a lot of sense students when they have a taste or a feel
of like facing their monkey mind with compassion and filling and being free but through that compassion has that compassion for that compassion by that compassion there it is this is a life they want
then
they have a habit of like coming in and
here the free it's okay
if that happens it's just to it just another thing to do the same thing with another bridge be kind to it and then freedom as re fresh
and it might be that if you do that over and over fast enough you won't have time to keep saying this is freedom
did you follow that
so here it is not freedom yeah i totally like honor it let it be and then you're free and then you think oh i'm free and then has been in they say oh i think i'm free and that's okay and not i'm pray again and you do it again and pretty soon you just do it without having to
time to say oh i'm free
that can happen and then you just practicing all day without any kind of likes per a certifications going on permalink
but you are certifying you are certifying by living the way that you want to live and you're perfectly happy to live that way
and again when you live in that way you can you can think you are
it's okay you can feel you are it's okay but living that way isn't thinking that you're living that way and it's not feeling that you're living that way even though you can think and feel that you're living that way that parts are optional but well when not happy as arise because you're just more opportunities for the practice
yes this i had skirts a number of times where little off a long hiatus yeah mass
barrasso
that about yourself
most numerous times where i would totally feel like are free of all him verse in being that i've always within seconds i say it is forever oh and that had some really thought about and then
i didn't
it was the whole field as opposed to crack thing is to practice worker record sales okay i said yeah i was impressed xander
we're now you can
so now when those things come you can do the same thing to them that you do that you do with the trees and them in your feet same thing
and if you don't prohibit is clock proclamations in the woods
what happened was like oh yeah
yeah i'll get a a ruined it
but the thing about the thing about this thing is it's okay to ruin it it's fine to ruin it is it's so wonderful that you can ruin it and it says hey thanks for ruining me
thanks for thanks for not like making me like solid gold you know
rigid you know it's not rigid it's flowing it's risk it's reciprocal yes so can
when someone says to the oh
this is not
oh what the buddha mind to that but you know he probably would be to help the person not abide in in the in this being the buddha
but the the buddha might say on just what can you do for you
and i may say well please please give me some teaching boise okay
huh just it
and young the britain where my santa i just did in the person might say wow thanks ah has great your you don't really have to do anything to teach me do you know like just being there that's teaching me right yes
and i can ask you to do more right yes
he said question
the next level for me
find work
looking at this the it's like nine or i want to do something that are not doing it i spend a lot of my time arguing with myself that not doing or saying and not do what i just a standard do but is back and forth and so
is actually the conversation thinner yeah there's a good did that was a conversation and there could have been like just an awareness of the conversation and some killing of
come like this is the job this is the work to watch this conversation with these various remarks being batted back and forth
but the real job is just to watch this to realize lived the conversations going on and there and there's a possibility for clearly observing it not even i'm clearly observing
batiste is clear observing of this conversation maybe between me and somebody else or between me and my values are my values and me
her between your values in my values these conversations they're all available for clear observation
so when you when i when i was talking about somebody says to the buddha would you give a teaching and a buddha says i just did
the first case of the book of serenity is called
i think it's called the world one hundred one ascends the seat
the world honored one
that's an epithet for buddha the world honored one ascends the seat
get up on the ct
so the story goes one day the world honored one ascended the seat

period
and then
a great bodhisattva nearby thought i don't know if the people realize that the buddha just dave the teaching
now made that it doesn't say one day the assembly asks the buddha to sent center seat
so in zen monasteries ascending to see me as a teacher gulshan gets up in a seat and gives a talk or anyway not initially talk into it made it the teaching maybe verbal or on
i could be auditory in the sense of you know
they often do that way you know you get some circles
and then sometimes leaves
but sometimes i go to talk so you were the boot it gets up in the seat and us so the buddha got up in a seat
and taught but didn't say got up and the and talk just said the putting out in the seat but a buddha on a seat is a buddha
and buddha cannot avoid teaching
because look on their faces a teacher their posture as a teaching their breathing as a teaching
of course for taught has included to are they can go
like that just see that
they can collect this
and then there's another stories the buddha raised a flower and twirled it
so this case the a got up in the seat that's over here and then manjushri them bodyside for wisdom says clearly observe
that's the meditation instruction but then he goes on clearly observe the teaching of the king of teaching
the kings of teaching sitting on the signal clearly observed the the teaching of this teacher
and that he says the teaching of the king of teaching is thus
and that's i would say today that's always the case the teaching of the king of teaching is thus
your example this conversation
the to the instruction is clearly observe the conversation
and we do good stop right there are clearly observe period what and in this case barbara jones in the middle of a conversation and as clear observing of that conversation
but then he goes on saying
a teaching that you will see when you clearly observe that teaching will be thus
it's always like that it's always what's going on a teaching is thus a teaching is thus the teaching is thus
and you're being invited to clearly observe
moment by moment thus thus thus thus thus plus it's always thus
things cannot be otherwise
we're being invited to clearly observe what thus not not this thus which includes this and that
which includes
not just this conversation not just this feeling not just this idea
thus which includes this idea and not this idea
so that's that's the first case
and then there's a poem that goes with the first case
which is the unique breathes of reality
again this poem is
not about enlightenment it's an expression of
thus so from thus comes to yuneec breeze of reality
creation
constantly working her loom and shuttle
or maybe i should say
constantly working there loman shuttle

it literally it says in chinese the mother principle
creativity it doesn't the literal character's mother principle which has been translated as
create creation is working her loom
and shuttle working the universal and particular to incorporate the patterns of spring
whatever is happening now the fresh moment this thing to incorporate the patterns of spring into the ancient brocade
and then the final comment
yes but nothing can be done about manjushri is leaking
manjushri is the the bodhisattva of wisdom who has pointed out who has said the bodyshop for wisdom the buddha's sitting on sitting there and magician she comes and tells people
clearly observe
observe the buddha but also observe thus
and then the poet
here at some of the other poems i told you about and and hunger he said but nothing can be done about manager is leaking manjushri comes in and sell no tells people look at the buddha
and they'd tell people the teaching the buddha is thus
that's similar to i'm free
so again you can't stop manjushri from coming in and making a comment
as fine
but still the story could have gone
the buddha ascended the see period
and i think the final line was and then the buddha got down from the seat
and there are stories like that
ah so one of the zen ancestors means bhaijaan by john means thousand feet the like a thousand foot
that that that's the name of that cliff that his monastery was on
no excuse me
by as one hundred and jong as ten
ten chinese feet so by young means of thousand feet it's it's a clear it's a monastery on top of a thousand feet so by john
what some abbot of the monastery bhaijaan and he also called by john and so he hadn't given a talk for a long time so the superintendent the director of the monastery when a teacher you haven't given to talk for a long time can please come and give a talk so he
went in and ascended the seat
and that resented the seat he got down from the sea and went back to his room
so case one is the world on and want to send us a manjushri got better than and it gets down
on ascended the seat and before anybody could say anything he went and he left in both cases they're teaching they are teaching
they are always teaching the teaching is they are all was teaching
don't forget that remember that they are all was teaching
and since they're always was teaching dish we should respect them
we should listen to them we should observe them with compassion and clear awareness that would be a very kind thing to do to them for them who are
giving us the teaching
and that poem celebrate this case
i think was trying to help us again not abide in the case
some manjushri you know explained everything really nicely with a boot at first would explain everything really nicely by not explain anything is his explanation was getting on the seat that was his explanation of everything holiday the experts explain the whole universe gets
up on a seat how does how do you and then have to go see how can you explain the whole universe get down
but sometimes will you get up there and somebody start talking about what you're doing that can happen to

meantime everybody has a chance to like clearly observe
and that in that way we do not miss out on the yuneec breeze of reality there's one breeze of reality is always flowing into everything
and that reality is incorporating
new life into the ancient brocade
and still somebody have to say something like clearly observe
the that's okay we we can work with then we are working with him
so that's case number one k so now
i didn't mean to but now you have case number one and you probably is not very long so you probably remember it
right one day the world on or want to ascended the seat
and there's not there has been to do it doesn't say by the way that he sat there for two years
ten seconds just to send in the see we don't know how long after that manjushri
struck the gavel and announced clearly observe the dharma of the king of dharma
the dharma the king of dharma is thus
the world i wouldn't get down to the sea by the way in zen tradition
i don't know if all the ten people do this but san francisco zen center and
most other
zen centres in japan and china when they make it when an abbot first gives a teach and get up in the see the somebody plays a role like got sometimes i'd play the role manjushri ago
clearly observe
that's the case you heard the verse know i invite you to write a verse about that case okay
to get you and maybe somebody will send you the case but you are kind of already got it right
not only do you have it but you can actually practice it because it's the case for me it has an instruction in it
and then i we suggest that you
i wouldn't struck that you practice the instruction and practice the instruction yeah
maybe wait a while before if you can't stop your poem it's okay
if it's if it's coming up already okay write it down but then due to the practice and then do the practice and then see what poem comes from the practice
because that
that's what happened with hunger the the person who made them who raised the case he raised the case and then his poem came to him to help him and us not abide in the words of the story
yes
poem
the yuneec breeze of reality
creation constantly works or is constantly working her loom and shuttle
incorporating the patterns of spring into the ancient brocade
but nothing can be done about manjushri is leaking
you know like a degree were decent go wiki leaks
the same thing
when tissue was an ancient wiki leaks guess
about a story home last week
mom can say your loss
is why
i wanna know who decides there maybe the he said your last was lots of actually write that describes what yeah well you know
besides this to remember the story from last week so

so i'll just expand like their own the teacher says i think you understand the idea of packing and tapping but you haven't yet realized the function of packing and tapping
and then this monk says watch the function
i'm packing and tapping and the teacher says
as soon as there's packing and tapping the the functions lost
and amongst says
i have doubt about that
and the teacher says what are you in doubt of and the monk says
literally months as last but some people suggest translating it as your last teacher k
then the teacher hits him
now and it says the monk did not accord in other words he didn't say oh yeah that was like the perfect thing to do
ice i said to you you lost a teacher
are you lost a bracket teacher and now you hit me and this is a this a perfect meeting he didn't he didn't feel that he didn't record
gay
and
but it wasn't like he thought well i did accord he he didn't think i do agree with a teacher and he he but also he he didn't feel like all if he had felt when you got hit all my doubt is it has has been resolved he didn't feel that either he'd he had doubt
two
however when the teacher said what do you doubt about he felt like to teach her got off that was his feeling in the tissue and teacher hit em to teachers it wasn't saying
you know how dare you sam off it's more like of you say i'm off habits can you work with this and the and again he said in a way he doubted again
so i think he that he felt like he doubted probably
and the teacher said what he said and then he doubted again and then the teacher hit him and he doubted again
and then teacher said okay go away and he went his other place and he met he told him a story in the person said
did
non year on which means a south temple to nine on break his stick for you
one way to translate his did he break his stick for you did he give his utmost for you and when he said that than the monk accorded so nobody's getting people are saying the monk did not feel when the teacher said
as soon as there's pecking and tapping
the function is lost the monk had doubt then when the teacher said that the monk had doubted what the teacher said like what he what what don't charge them then the teacher hit him and the monk had doubt again
then he went away and a monk southern monk said did he break his stick for you and then his dealt was resolved
so it wasn't somebody else was saying
that he didn't understand he himself had his doubt was not result so first of all i think maybe some of you had doubt when you hear pecking and tapping sounds good right
it's it's as good it has as great function
however if you abide in it he loses dysfunction and you might have some doubt about that well how does that work and so i said i doubt about that and then the teacher the way the teacher packed back
our tap back was what do you have what are you in doubt about
and then again he he had doubt so then he felt like
maybe felt like i have doubt and and you're the one who kind of my didn't give me a good answer and the teacher who know
yeah and then the teacher hits home and again any doubts that that hitting was really
the function
the that that hitting was not falling and to
packing or tapping
but when he talked to the other guy
at the other monastery
is he is he understood he understood what packing in the function of packing and tap he understood he clearly saw what the function of packing and tapping his
well
i think i'm the i think a monk himself
at what the second monastery the monk himself i think probably said
i'm clear now
it's not somebody else commenting on it the monk saying i'm clear and the monkeys talking to probably feels like yeah you're clear now think your your doubt cleared up i think that there was doubt it's kind of difficult to understand packing and tapping has a great function as soon but if but it's respecting yeah
tapping you lose the function you might have some doubt about that he had doubt about it so and he asked to teach her and they had this multifaceted interaction the result of which was he still didn't understand but then after he left
he went over here and he he understood he himself felt that he he that it was resolved he felt that way there's no commentator at the sky watching us he felt that way he he had doubt he left he could he felt like a not according with the teacher and the teacher
said yeah you're not he agreed with them
but he agreed that you and he wasn't according they went away into another monastery
a monastery of a very important teacher you and men but it doesn't tell about him interacting with the great teacher it talks about him interacting with one of the monks but that interaction with one of the monks not the big meant den master was sufficient was effective and his risk i would say
he had a clear awakening in other words his doubt his lack of accord was resolved he felt that way and what did he do then
he went back to check out as accord he left because he was feeling out of accord with the teacher the great teacher south temple
so it goes to see another great teacher doesn't meet to teach your buddy he meets a student who does the job
he goes back to the great teacher again but the grade teacher has passed away so it needs to great teachers successor
fung srei
and functionaries says aren't you the guy who was asking about packing and tapping or hawaii ago and he says yeah but now it's like the teachers like
he didn't a cordon was here last i wonder how he is now
among say i'm i'm kind of like in accord now and then the teacher says the successor says how was that when you were here before and he said he was like i was walking by the light of a dim lamp and the teacher said than a teacher said i would say you're an accord
so he he felt out of accord a teacher for a lot of accord he went away he became an accord and he went back to see if they could read
re anyway
enhance or reaffirmed and accord with the original situation he couldn't do the teacher because the teacher passed away but he did it with the successor and they and their they reached record
so it is about reaching accord but it's not you or me it's us together and in the first part of story i think key and the teacher both sort of felt like
we're not quite an accord
go away
and then lived in this other story to it was like long bow and lindsay were not an accord casino though i mean you so i would say that the line the story is amongst doing quite well he's he's he's really has skin deep questions it's got a lot of energy and and
uzi awesome
he's listening to the teaching is asking questions teachers talking to him he has doubt he tells a teacher the teachers
yeah thought so when i was happy stories
i would say
but that you start to
so eric's guys henry just want to take you got a case is number one in the book of serenity the world on units in the seat you got hungers wonderful poem to set an example of not depending on words now you can write a poem
from not depending on words
okay and so next week you can come in a different costume yes
is a serious
he says
are their stories where the teacher expresses you mean well he in the current teacher or the future teacher
i heard was
oh yeah yeah so the the lindsay story lindzey was gonna be a future great teacher and he had doubts and and but he he didn't have any dallas before he met one bow before i met wrong boy he had no doubts that's why didn't go see wong po
here i'm totally clear i'm
i'm clearly observing i have no doubts he was fine and more joy said you should go see him and when you went to see won both then he started having doubts three times doubts
so what about the teacher having doubts
yes so you want one of those are come to class next we cannot tell you one
it's teacher doubting time