thank you

zen meditation

the zen meditation that i
offer
i here and other places is
totally culminated enlightenment

it includes or or yeah it involves
a com concentrated
flexible
alert
body and mind but it's not just such a calm concentrated body and mind
it is
the contemplation and realization of reality in a com concentrated body and mind
so we start every evening with quiet sitting in a that sitting
ah you're all welcome to enter into a deep
serene
state
of com alert mind

whatever mind arises that

welcome it
and
also give it away

the gracious towards whatever arises that includes letting a common letting it go
very simple but sometimes we don't let what comes we don't let it come graciously
and sometimes we don't let it go graciously
but day you can start every evening by simply
developing mental attention
does that way of being with whatever comes up
i really enjoy doing it with the sound of trains
lovely for me to welcome them
ah with all that they bring and send them on their way

so these whatever comes give it your full
national attention and do not lean into it for away from it do not get involved with that even though you're completely present with it this way of being with whatever happens
comes to fruit as state of concentration in which we then can contemplate various teachings
and the
the contemplation of the teachings is
yeah the contemplation of teaching is a major function of enlightenment enlightenment is
contemplating the teachings of enlightenment
buddha's are contemplating the teachings of buddha as
and there's
boundless teachings of borders and borders contemplate boundless teaching employers they do all this for the welfare of all beings
and what i just said as a teaching it's a teaching
that everything borders do is for the welfare of all beings
buddha's contemplate the teaching that what they're doing is for the welfare of all beings
why this topic of transforming the mind of delusion
ah
you might you don't i don't know if it said after that after the thailand and of it said what the mind delusion got transformed into did he say
hmm
didn't say what
he got transformed into enlightenment yeah so one of the things we can transform the diluted mind into his enlightenment
we can we can transform i'm i'm i'm i'm claiming i'm claiming that we can transform the mind delusion into the mind of enlightenment that we can train swarm delusion into wisdom
when basic way of doing that is ah
to study the mind of delusion to study it to learn about it
first of all
just you know welcome and let it go and come down with it and then when you're com with the mind delusion then you can start studying it in a calm place you can study delusion in a way that is you might be able to actually
understand it and transform transform it and understand it
once again it's a basic proposal is that if we contemplate the mind of delusion
in a certain way the mine delusion will
be transformed
and become wisdom now if we do if we do not contemplate the mine of delusion
if we just like most most deluded minds do not actually contemplate the deluded mind they just believe it's it's not a deluded mind
most deluded minds think that the mind they're deluded mind is not diluted
not all diluted minds think that they're not deluded
a good probably a lot of people in this room right now have diluted minds that do not are not thinking that they don't have diluted minds
somebody just nodded like yeah i ever deluded mind but i don't think it's not deluded
a who has diluted minds
the teaching
ah of the buddha's is that all non buddha's have diluted minds
all non board is all sentient beings have deluded minds and that's all they've got is diluted minds
diluted mines is what they've got
and people were diluted minds can be enlightened

while they're still have diluted minds
and this process of enlightening and being enlightened about diluted minds
i can go through a gradual process of transformation
until the diluted mine is completely transformed
and then we not only after many enlightened months about the deluded mind it becomes completely transformed into the mind of a buddha
or in the buddha's mind
into the true body of buddha
so i
i i have
been warming up since latter part of last year
to start a new kind of cycle of teachings
about this process of transformation of delusion
and i all starting a few weeks ago
maybe a couple months ago i started to i started this this teaching cycle
so this class is in that
context
and
for several several years
i was giving classes here and drink option cause our on other places around the world about a sutra a sutra which
is one of the first texts which actually describes
the
the process of transforming the mine and delusion
and this sutra was is called in sanskrit the somme dinner more china surgery
which is often translated as
on elucidating or
unraveling the deep intention of the borders
and the chinese translated the sounding diego china in chinese
and translating the chinese translation into english
when i would say would be
explicate ng or explaining or
unraveling the deep intimacy
in brackets are buddha's teaching
so that that got suitors in the background of this tr this this teaching about transforming minds but the surgery is a
you know it was a kind of revolutionary emergence in the world and a number of things which it taught it taught very briefly almost like hinting at certain things
and following that sutra
ah a numbers a number of students have their sudre then try to to develop and reason from that sutra from that scripture and bring out and l ah and develop some of the teachings of that sutra
and one of the great students of this sutra was also one of the great teachers in all of buddhist history is named the sanga
a great
a practitioner of the great vehicle a great enlightening being
and one of his
i'm not to say most amazing and wonderful works
called
the mahayana some gras
and this is the text which will be the source of these teachings on transforming the deluded mind into the border
my younger son grow heart is usually translated
as
the summary of my on or a summary of my on my honor sandra ah
in some gras homies can be translated as summary and mahayana can be translated as
the great vehicle
the great vehicle of the body sought was the great vehicle of those who do who vowed to devote their life is
there
innumerable lives they vowed to offer innumerable lives for the welfare beings on the path of realizing buddhahood for the welfare of all beings
this path for the welfare of all beings his path of happiness and benefit and liberation for all beings is called the great vehicle
so
this text it's a summary of this great vehicle
i also looking at the chinese translation of this
some gras harm mahayana some groth the chinese chose a character which does mean kind of like to summarize or to gather
or to collect
but it also means to embrace
and sustain and nourish and guide
it also means
to be sustained and embraced and guided
so i personally like to use the chinese translation
and call a song does work embracing the mahayana
nourishing am my on a caring for the mahayana
rather than just summary part of caring for the mahayana is to make summers
detailed analytics summaries
as part of being
embracing the great vehicle
and what is being taught in this work on the great vehicle what's being taught is basically
the deluded mind
and the enlightened mind the beginning of the book
is about the deluded mind the basis of all deluded ah cognition
how it works
so it could also be called instead of summary of mahayana can be called summary of the most of the mind
summary of the deluded mind and summary of how the deluded mind is transformed into the
awakened mine
it's not a very long book
but ah
it's easy to spend many hours on a paragraph
so
the stick this teaching the study will probably going on for a while even on the texas and very long
it's possible that in this series of six classes we will be able to get kind of an overview
and going to some detail about the first chapter and there's ten chapters
ah there's some did some level of detail that is not possible to do in six sessions
who actually certain there's certain parts where we can go into detail and spend the whole six sessions on certain parts of chapter one
but there's some i think i think we can get a good sense of what's being taught in chapter one
in six weeks
huh
ha
so
you don't need the book for this class
but you might need the book for the next ten years of studies
after this class all you need is parts of chapter one and i'll i'll give them to you
but you might want to get the book and if you want to get the book
the book is published by an institute in of all places berkeley the center of the enlightened universe
used to be in india but now it's in berkeley
there's an institute here called the new mata institute and they they're translating the whole chinese canada in the english
it's been endowed by a japanese man who went to berkeley
and then he went home and became very successful businessman
and then he wanted to come back to united states and started institute to repay california for the excellent education he received at berkeley
so now there's a very nice institute there
which is endowed so that it can keep hiring translators
for the next few hundred years
because it will take long time because there's thousands and thousands of texts in the chinese canon
and so this very important work is my honor some gras how this this embracing of the great vehicle has been translated into english
by the institute and they will sell it to us at what called educational institution with phrase
so if you wish to
get the book
we can order many copies
they still have many cartridge right they didn't new edition right
so
pardon
jackie says is there only one translation well for your information
a the just taking a step back to the sutra that the somebody room or china sutra
i studied the the teach teachings which came from the sound of your more china sea dry study teachings from that sutra based on their suit your for
twenty five years or so on until there was an english translation of the sutra
i just started to get some people to translate a french translation of it into english when someone gave me in english translation of the surgery
in nineteen ninety five and then by night by two thousand there were three english translations of the sergio
and by the way
a book has been published by down moyers rotten or press and that book is ah
based on talks i gave about the sutra
and the books called
the third turning of the wheel
the wisdom of the sound meter march on
okay so now with this
you know finishing the surgery than i kind of was wondering well what about the mahayana some gras and then i find out is translated and then i find i find out that
i am one of the great japanese scholars
the twentieth century
his name is gudgeon a girl
ah
translated from various languages
the mahayana some gras into japanese
and he also translated all the commentaries
from chinese tibetan sanskrit
into japanese
so this is huge work of translating this embracing the mahayana into japanese plus all the commentaries and then several western scholars
the east scholar have not translated all that into english
and the head of the project named leslie call more who lives in
canada recently died
and manuscripts in his house
and so i'm trying to get in touch with the other translators to see if the people at the center of the enlightened universe can have a manuscript to study
if he's not going to be published soon which we can if it's published wrong you get the book but
so there is another translation in english but we it's not available yet and there's tremendous amount of commentary in english not available yet
in the meantime
we've got the text in english
we've got the text in chinese
we've got to tibet text in tibetan
and we have each other
and we have our
concentrated minds and our interest and understanding are concentrated minds so they can be transformed into buddhist mine right
what zen meditation is one of the forms of mahayana
great vehicle meditation practice
and then we study the deluded mind
for the sake of realizing buddhahood for the welfare of all beings
we don't just get concentrated and sit blissfully in a state of concentration
we received teachings about our mind and we use these teachings to study or mind
so that we can understand and transform it
if you ready
we can start with this
embracing of the great vehicle are you ready
yes
yeah
if you can order the books by
emailing
rob assistant
at sfcc dot org
and we'll start ordering the books and
what bring a truck
to the yoga room some night with the books
in the meantime i have a the first six sections for you
that you can know
you can know
how and take care of
if you like anybody want
huh
huh
huh
huh
how the dharma is now coming to you
harden
you need what
in a month the coming

anybody has not received one yet
one over here
has everyone receive one now
either extras
there's a few people who didn't who are in the class who didn't come tonight
okay so this is the first draft this is the first chapter
there's an introduction with
i am
i hope you allow me not to not to read to you at this time if you really want to hear the introduction it doesn't really have the teachings in it but if you want to hear the introduction let me know and i'll read it to you later
i'd like to start just by reading to you this first section the first two sections the starting with the first one
it is first explained that the support of the novel is termed the container consciousness
alia the neon
so all i am in all i can hema i love hema alia hema alia himalaya
so he might snow and allies storehouse or abode my is the storehouse of the snow
so this is the storehouse consciousness
so the first thing is being taught is that the support for the novel is termed the container consciousness right now this is taught in the sutra this is taught
now a song sang
that there is a consciousness
which supports everything that's known
it supports all of our
normal
conscious cognition
everything we're normally aware of
it supports
this storehouse consciousness however is not conscious it is unconscious it is a count is it a it's a consciousness
that's subliminal
it's a cognitive awareness
that's unconscious and it supports all conscious awareness
and then he says where has the world to on the buddha spoken of this consciousness
where did he call it the container
in the basic vs
that summarized the rv dharma
i'll i'm amazed
highest the teaching or approach to the highest teaching or something like that
so in this in this hobby dharma literature the buddhist said from beginning this time there is a realm
it is the support of all things only if it exists do all the destinies exist
and is their access to cessation
only if it exists are all the different types of defiled
possible
and only if it exists is their access to freedom
to nirvana
two piece
with all these
ah with all these things with all these
our destinies
that
a diluted consciousness leads to
and i'm i stop here and say that usually ah the sanskrit word that's being used here is the root word is clay shaw
and question is defilement
it could also it also means affliction
and the basic defilements the basic afflictions our greed hate and delusion
or ignorance ignorance is the most basic affliction
ignorance is the cause of our misery
along with greed and hate
but greed and hate always exists with
ah ignorance some those afflictions
ah
especially ignorance
our present
ah
in all
states of consciousness except for
beings who
ah are no longer ignorant
who are
no longer for example believe in independent existence
so they actually can have states of consciousness which do not have that affliction however
even in their states of consciousness where they no longer believe in an independent self
their states of consciousness are also supported by this storehouse consciousness
so all the different destinies are based on this
storehouse consciousness and if we didn't have the storehouse consciousness we wouldn't be able to
to attain freedom because it is by transforming the storehouse consciousness that freedom is attained
when we can have access to our unconscious
storehouse consciousness
we can
we can know it
but we can have access to it we can transform it
yes
cape
and then again and the rb diamond sutra another verse says the hidden ground upon which all things depend is the consciousness with all its seeds
so the storehouse consciousness
is
all the seeds of all defiled mental states
it is the storehouse of all the seeds of all defiled mental states
but it actually is just
all the seeds it's not a storehouse in addition to all the seeds
it's not actually something in addition to all the things that support all deluded state of mind it is just all the seeds of all deluded state to mind
thus i call it container
and have taught it to superior persons
so superior persons you know berkeley also is in our aware
you know we don't have superior persons in berkeley
right

so that's is predicted is difficult to say superior persons in berkeley so what do you mean by superior persons
i guess in this case what we mean is the ordinary people
who would like to learn to be ordinary completely
the ordinary people the ordinary diluted people who would like to understand their ordinary diluted minds
this is the teaching for them it's not for ordinary people who wanna be better than ordinary people
this teaching wouldn't be good for them to those people we have to another program to try to talk him into being ordinary
our list to consider the possibility that they're not better than other people
and bigger and more important
so this is a teaching for body surface this is a teaching for people who are living for the welfare of all beings so a song or calls him superior people
but they're not really superior they don't think they're superior i don't know why a slang or call them superior
yes
question
a storehouse is
only all the see
what's the transformer
transform
ah
the seeds
are constantly being transformed
whether one is whether there's practice involved or not
every time
in every moment of awareness all the seeds come up
together with some number of particular active cognitions and those active cognitions that come up with their support which is all the seeds and some seeds are particularly relevant to some states have active consciousness but all the other seeds are there too
and when that consciousness when knows that consciousness or when several consciousness has come up with this all the seeds those consciousness is
the simultaneously with the arising with their support they
perfume or permeate the ocean of seeds
the every every active state of consciousness transforms the storehouse consciousness simultaneous with that with their arising
and they ceased together and in the next moment this consciousness the storehouse conscience which has been transformed in the previous moment by the active consciousnesses which it's supported
arises the sport more active consciousnesses which then simon tape which is set which supports and which transform it so it's always going to transformation
it's always been it's always evolving
but at the active consciousnesses are receiving no instruction from someplace
to study them to study the situation to receive instruction about how to work with this active consciousness then generally the contribution of the active consciousness is to just make more seeds from more defiled states
so this teaching is coming to us so we can hear it and it cut and in we hear it in our conscious
active consciousness
it is it is part of the the pinnacle arising of those consciousnesses and thereby this teaching gets into the elia
into the storehouse and transforms it now was seeds
for enlightenment
for enlightenment in among the seeds for diverted states
ready for one more section
why did the buddha teach that this consciousness is named container
because the results of the defiled mental states of all sentient beings is concealed and stored up
in all those mental states as their cause
fall that
it's called the container because the results
the results of all defiled mental states
what is the storehouse consciousness
the storehouse conscience is is also called the resultant
the storehouse consciousness is are living past
yes

the seeds are the result here
the first
the defiled states have the result
they they perfumer they permeate the elia
so the as a result of them but then it becomes a seed for them
so
the results of all the files states are concealed and stored in in this in all these seeds
what scares me the results of the defiled states
are concealed and stored up in the mental states as their cause
so the store consciousness is the result of mental states and the storehouse continents which is the result of the mental states is hidden and stored in the mental states as there cause so the result of mental states is the cause of mental states yes
sookie

it's both
pardon
what it is kind of analogous to the collective consciousness except that his son
it's both individual and and not and common it's not exactly collective is more like common it's shared

is it like a mighty that you get when you're born
when you

well
a
the language of you'd have you or me taking miss with me is
i can't say yes to that that i'm taken as with me but
this is this service is teaching of it's container consciousness is offered to make sense of rebirth
but ah but how it does that is an nother big discussion which will take many classes but one of the reasons that this teaching is offered is to point out a way that they're the consequences of what we do
are transmitted to the future
in this life and across many lives
so
this consciousness is a result of defiled consciousness and it's hidden in the file consciousness as a cause it's a result that the cause
and then furthermore it is called a container consciousness in as much as all sentient beings clinging to an image of selfhood
our themselves contained within the confines of this consciousness
so we are all it is contained in in all of our conscious states and all of our conscious states are contained in it
it supports all of our conscious states oliver a conscious states transform it
is the result and cause of all of our conscious states
and we will it as much as we have a self we live within this consciousness
if you had an active consciousness
that didn't have any self delusion in the that consciousness would not be living in the elia
but diluted consciousness has live in in this storehouse consciousness
yes

okay active conscious you want to hear about that for you are doing are you or do you have a definition you you'd like to offer
what

yeah so i've published and say something about active consciousness active consciousness means basically
six kinds of consciousness
five cents consciousnesses
which are named after the sense oregon high consciousness ear consciousness know consciousness tongue consciousness and skin or body consciousness
and tom consciousness
hmm there's a ton
threat he knows that i guess three to five and then mind consciousness those are the six active consciousnesses and they have ought to have specific objects
like the i consciousness can become aware of a color
now if if if it were possible to have them
more than one i consciously chick there could be more than one color with the that each of them is aware of but generally teaching is that the i consciousness is aware of individual scholar in a given moment the ear consciousness and individual sound in a given moment in
earlier teachings it look like
the buddha was understood as teaching that in a given mama there were just one of these
but the sutra
the the surgery revealing that the deep meaning of the buddha's teaching in the sutra is taught that there can be there could be five cents consciousness is in a given moment
and
generally speaking there is mind consciousness with
ah if as with it has only one self-consciousness mind consciousness also with it so this good the school saying that can be six active consciousness is in a given moment arising together all being supported by this unconscious storehouse consciousness and they all that
when will transform it
it's just deport all of them if they're six six and all six would transform it
so and and is active consciousness is ah
is defiled
as a consequence of past consciousnesses that have had
ignorant views so that the plant seeds so the elia support the arising of defiled deluded afflicted current consciousness
that enough for now and that for jab more questions

your wondered about the origin of self clinging
ah
it's hard to groups
self clinging is part of ignorance right
or self clinging
arises
as a consequence
have the belief that there is a self so what one there's a believe there is yourself than generally speaking this clinging to it
but ah desist to the scripture does as teaching offer a story about how that happened yes it does
but dumb
not right here little bit later
it tells a story about how the
this sub
this conceit this this an exaggeration of a self
ah have an i am where that how that came to be and how it keeps going and this elia is key in that but it's later in the tax so if you can wait
maybe you can but i'm going to try to wait
yes

no same karmic consciousness
a consciousness is afflicted consciousness is diluted consciousness crime consciousness deluded consciousness defiled mental states afflicted mental states
sarah synonyms
a liar ya know
should we say that ally of is known as part of karmic consciousness
i guess i would say no

i would say no so this is a big deal in his teaching here

karmic mind karmic mind karmic consciousness defiled mental states afflicted mental states afflicted minds these are synonyms
she asked is a lie a part of the karmic consciousness i said no she said is the fuck are the states part of a lot part of a liar
his comment cards is part of elia i would say no
and i was a teaching them that living beings all they have is comic consciousness
so according to this i would say no they have something more than cosmic consciousness they have as they have an unconscious
that they don't know they have unless they've been tipped off
which supports karmic consciousness so i want to come and have to consciousnesses one that's active karmic consciousness where we think we do stuff or don't do stuff
and and can me thinking that i do stuff is an afflicted point of view but there are that's kind of conscious that's where com has generated a lion doesn't generate karma
a lie is the resultant
so there's affliction
ignorance a lie is not really ignorance a liar carries the results are unconscious this unconscious mind carries the results of all actions
that were defend defiled by ignorance but the actions themselves are not actually ignorance their their what we do when were afflicted by ignorance when we're ignorant we suffer and then we think we can do something about it and results of that activity
is stored in our unconscious which supports the arising of another state
of active karmic consciousness which is trying to again to do something about the state of affliction
but the but the ally itself is not a karmic generator it is the resultant it is a cop and it is a cause of karmic consciousness but it's not karmic consciousness itself
so this this unconscious mind is not comic consciousness so when we say that all sentient beings just have kind of consciousness in a sense of that's all they know they have everything they know they have his comic consciousness
everything you know you have everything you think is going on his delusion
but that isn't the whole story that sense that you have of the world on yourself and your life is supported
by the results of all your past actions are your past minds
they all had consequences and all their consequences are available to support your present life
and the way we deal with our present cosmic consciousness transformed our past which supports different comic consciousnesses which again can be treated differently and our past and can be transformed so there are past becomes more and more supportive of further study of our comic consciousness
so past can be transformed and transformed and transformed and transformed on tell is transformed in to the buddha mind
yes

the
the reason the results this is a again you
it looks like this class is going to jump around in this chapter quite a bit sudden
couple of people have brought things that are and at the end of the chapter but i will say briefly that the results of all the karmic consciousnesses of all sentient beings for all time
there is that is the physical world that we live in
the what we think is our physical world we live in that we share that is this the results of all of our action

what you were in yes the world the world that we think we were in and that we agree we're in
that world that we share that is the results of all of our action

right and that is
the basic affliction
and that
it's not in what i've given you so far but that is carried by another mind
which is called
defiled thinking
and that the file thinking mind carries the ignorance
along with his active consciousnesses
and elias supports that chunks that function to
yes
yes

no this is the seat the seeds are
now there's one way to talk about it is a lie is all the perfumes
so speaking of a lie as a sum total of all the perfumes are all the permeation of active consciousness that's one way to talk about it that's talking about it as a result
but it's also a cause and when you talk about it as a cause then it's all the seeds so it's all the seeds for all states and as as a result of all the states it's the perfumes or the permeation so it's all the permeation or as all the seeds looking at it from the point of view
you of effect is permeation looking at the point of view of cause it seems
it's both are unconscious is both it carries the results and the results than can be causes

while actually more
see some time will come to fruition
so what you're saying is that
one to one relationship
model
is a curfew was crazy
i made about a person's privacy
on it's not that i will say there is a one to one between the perfuming and the seed but there's not a one to one between the action and what the seed will support because the seed
as mixed with lots of other seeds plus there are also a possibility of planting seeds which are not
active defiled consciousness seeds but dharma seeds so a liar it isn't just like you that you do have something it goes into a lion and going to come up back up and support something like it
it isn't doesn't necessarily work that way
but but it's true
the pasta the fact that it doesn't work like that allows transformation otherwise there would be no possibility of of transforming it because evil things would go down there and they just come back up his evil
but it doesn't work like that how it works is
our study which is it said
yeah it's it's really complicated
but also quite worked out
yes
yeah i would i would actually suggest
yeah i would actually suggest don't take it literally thank you because it's not a container in addition to what it contains
it's just so
it's the assembly of it's the bringing together of all the consequences without something in addition to all the consequences

yeah

or you could say
another word is
another transfer another word is the resultant
and then the seeds are
the perfume is our results so it's all the results and as the results become the support for the arising of new states it's all the seeds and it's there's nothing in addition to that that it is
and and your question why call it a container
maybe that was to mistake a man

well but but see that's the thing is that as we see ourselves as as a self than we can then were then the container is
is something in addition
then then with your contained
what we're not
there actually isn't some there isn't a container in addition to all it's contained there's just all this contained or all this assembled it could also be called
the assembly consciousness the great assembly of all karmic consequences
it can also be called the past or our past
yes
snow
yeah
interesting
but this means more to be

beer says
we are experiences
oh one second do you want to say something before it is found him
so
so if you talk about epistemology as a discussion of of the basis of or the support of knowledge then this is an epistemological statement is saying this is what supports ordinary ah
a conscious knowledge
and
yeah but but this itself isn't knowledge
this is a supportive knowledge
this is the consequences of knowledge and the cause of knowledge
knowledge
com's because it is supported by this knowledge comes from other things too because this thing as a result of past knowledges so knowledge is based on past knowledges which this this is this isn't exactly past knowledge this is the results of past knowledge
past knowledge is gone
our past is gone
in in the sense that
what everything we thought is gone however everything we thought as consequence all of our comic actions have consequence the comic actions are gone but their consequences are right here
so that innocence is our past
our living past are influential past are supported past are yeah
that's supporting all these states everything we think is based on past action
and
that doesn't mean that past action determines everything we think because
somebody can say something to us
which wouldn't
completely changed the way
our present mine arises but our present mind is based on past minds
but also influenced by
teachings which are not necessarily anything we thought of before
and they didn't come from crime consciousness they came from transformed comic consciousness
kind of conscious did not think of these these teachings these teachings were given by transformed kind of consciousnesses and but but even more than transformed kind of conscience these teachers did not come from the storehouse cons
justice they came from the transform storehouse consciousness
which received teachings from outside of it
so you don't need to bring this up paper with your next week but you certainly may
but i will i discovered i i intend to continue this this little an introductory is eight subsections next week
and then
leap to another part of the of chapter one
yes

yes

yes
gardner
one of the conditions

the last was
yeah so in this case the container is the other seeds
there's not something in addition to the seeds but all the seeds are
in relationship to all the other seeds and that in that sense the seeds contain each other and influence each other
our past influences are past but also
the way we are practicing with our present consciousness
simultaneously effects are past right now
thank you very much

yeah