eight
i'd like to him
no relate
wisdom and compassion to the
three types of compassion that we have discussed in the past
oh we're a wisdom may be seen as
ah observing
and
negating
all everything
and thus ascending
observing and negating all phenomena
and that's ascending from the world and entering nirvana
compassion
maybe seen as the opposite that is
descending
from freedom
descending and affirming the world
so in terms of these three types of
ah van
compassion the third the first type which we sometimes called
sentimental compassion has as its objects beings
which are
observed
and affirmed as they appear
so that type of compassion in a sense we have descended into the world of appearance is
and we affirm the beings who appear
in our mind in our conscious mind we affirm them as such
per se as they appear
and we
we observe their suffering
we listen to their suffering
we feel that it would be great if they were free of suffering
and we
a vow to devote our life to freeing them
this is the first type of compassion and it's compassion where wisdom is not yet operating
we are not examining we are not questioning we are not ah
i'm observing and experimenting with phantom with beings as they appear
we're working for their compassion but without examination
the second type of compassion we start to examine
we observe and question
we experiment and our experiment leads us to seeing that the way beings appear is not true
in this vision their apparent existence
is negated and in this sense we transcend the world
and transcend the first type of compassion
and transcend the suffering of the world and the suffering of the first type of compassion
the third type of compassion great compassion is intimacy
it doesn't abide in the first type of compassion
it doesn't abide in the second type of a compassion nor does it abandoned either one of them it's intimate with both types of compassion
and it's intimate with all beings
it's intimate with
taking beings as they appear in a in an illusory way
and it also is intimate with beings who are seen as empty of any independent existence
it is intimate with both ascending
and descending
sometimes we see stories of
meditators
negating the world and ascending sometimes we see were examples of them descending into the world and affirming it again
find ourselves in the world is suffering we do not realize that we may have entered the world of suffering
from a freedom
from wisdom in order to save beatings and have forgotten that the beings that will come to save do not inherently exist
so then we practice the first type of compassion
but after we then move onto the second type of compassion and free ourselves from the first and realize nirvana then we give up nirvana we let go of nirvana we let go of the ultimate truth of emptiness
of all beings and we re-enter the world a birth and death
and now we can really be intimate
with the world of birth and death at the same time as were intimate with the world of freedom

so again in some sand tax it is clearly stated that we zen students let go of the ultimate
let go of nirvana
and join hands with all beings and walk through birth and death together with them
we give up nirvana we give up ultimate truth but we're still intimate with it
again
when were intimate with things that does not
contradict us letting go of them as a matter of fact
when we are intimate with beings
we do let go of or i should say beings are released and beings are let go of when were intimate with them
and then being intimate with them we re-engage with them
without grasping them
this is the third type of compassion great compassion but again the first two types are also great compassion because great compassion is intimate with all three types
and i want to yeah i want to mention that we must be very careful when we question when we experiment and when we negate
the illusion and delusion
we must be very careful when we do that in ourselves and in the people were practicing with so there's many stories of zen teachers negating the delusions of the students
they have already negated their own
delusions their teachers if haven't helped them to get their own glue delusions and ascend to nirvana
then they give up nirvana they let go of it and descend and interact with beings in a playful gentle way hopefully so that other beings can enjoy the freedom that comes from deeply questioning questioning things all the way to the bottom
and thus negating
are inherent existence
the gating not the not what they really are but negating the illusory appearance of an independently existing phenomena independently existing person
but this negation must be done compassionately otherwise bays can be harmed
and in being upright
on page one fifty four i think
it's a story i i i i tell
about a great saint teacher
named haku him
yeah page one fifty three and one fifty four is a story about haku cohen
who
met somebody who was attached to what he thought he was attached to his own thinking to his own understanding
and yeah and haku in
challenged
and negated and refuted his beliefs and he did it in such a way that it was and not beneficial admiral fact he does great teacher made a great mistake and did it in a way
that harmed the person who was living in the realm of sentimental compassion
who thought he knew we thought he understood
this person damn was
ah charlton show mood

nor jodo name was joe doe
so he was practicing with another teacher and he had some insight
and he was very happy with it and he thought there was it he thought there was
ah an inherent existence to his insight to this being that he had become this insight being
and his teacher said that's pretty good but it's not complete you should use to go deeper and the chowder thought it was complete it was really the way he thought and he wanted to go see the great teacher haku when
to demonstrate and get affirmation of his insight and his teacher says not yet stay with me longer so we can deepen your insight before you go visit other teachers but this a jojo didn't listen to his teacher
he was not willing to question his understanding
his teachers as well if you won't listen to me you're gonna go see hawkwind and least give me a leash let me write your letter of introduction so he did and he gave it to him and children went to haku him and haku and was taking a bath when he or
arrived and the a shoulder barged into the bathroom and presented his understanding to the great teacher and degree to if your said okay well if it is as you say everything will be fine
but you've been traveling a long time wanted to rest and we can talk later
so they got together later and giotto gave haku into letter of introduction hawkwind read it the teacher said this person has some understanding please take care of him he's rather arrogant
and haku in then said to children

your capacity is small
actually i wrote he shouted at him haku and shouted at him and with fire coming out of his eyeballs he said
your capacity as small your potential is inferior what good is free is it for you to consider what you have accomplished as the completion of great work as for he said to him that wasn't untrue but it was harsh and it
it's shocked children so deeply that he immediately and permanently went insane

and a towards the end of his life haku and who was such a great teacher and helped so many people said i made two mistakes in my life one was with shoulder
a big mistake he really harm deadlock
by negating him without deep compassion at the same time so we in the second type of compassion we do negate but we must do it gently carefully respectfully
tenderly patiently generously
in type of compassion
to see that
we are illusory body sought france who are practicing illusory
compassion for the sake of illusory beings
and by meditating on this we negate our superficial understanding of compassion and ascend to freedom from the second type not abiding in the second type of compassion which is freedom from the first time then for
this transcending of the second type of compassion we descend and reengage with all beings
we have understood their illusory appearances we have understood our own illusory appearances we have understood the illusory appearance of compassion and the illusory appearance of suffering and in this way we have transcended suffering
and now we re enter with we bring this transcendence down
into the into the world and here is great compassion which once again is not abiding in
the first type of compassion but as not abandoning it it's right there with the first time it's not abandon the second type it's right there with the second negating questioning investigating activity it's working with ball and it's the intimacy with all beings and the intimacy with all
methods of compassion

i would also like to review
the
stuart stories from the early poly scriptures
i wonder i told before was the story of the buddha was being questioned about his practice of going into the forest where there's all kinds of dangers and frightening situations
and he's he's questioned about whether that's a good idea and buddha said that he went into the forest and he did an experiment he observed as the the situation of the forest he observed himself in the forest remember that story
shrimp that story again meal
hmm
you don't
okay here's the story again so he the bullet is questioned by somebody
as to whether he wants to set the example of going into this dangerous forest
and the buddha says well yeah i do but for me i found a way be in the forest which is peaceful
which is joyful and the way i found that was i went into the forest and when firor rosen me
i observed it and if i was walking i did the experiment of continuing to observe the fear and just continuing to walk
and continuing to walk an observing the fear and the fear would
leave me
or quiet down if i was sitting in the fear came i would continue sitting and observe the fear and sit observing the fear and fear would be pacified if i was standing the same and if i was reclining in the forest
and the fear came to me i wouldn't jump up i would continue to recline observing the fear
in my reclined posture and tell the fear quieted down
until i was not afraid of the forest and the forest was not afraid of me buddha made this study made this observation and did this experiment and it worked out and he attained nirvana
and again at the end of that scripture the buddha himself says people might think that since i still go into the forest to meditate that i'm attached to the technique that i found i'm attached to the practice that i discovered whereby i realized
peace and freedom but i'm not attached i just keep doing because i liked i don't have to but i continued because i like to go into the forest and i also continue to set an example for future generations
the next or a i told was about another meeting with the buddha and the person in his case that met with the was called by here but he i asked the buddha for instruction and the buddha said basically
observe yourself train yourself by observing
like observe would she see observed the scene observed the heard observe the smelled observe the tasted and observed touched
and observe all mental phenomena
such that
here's this is the experiment so observe these things now do this experiment and observe things such that in the heard there's just a her experiment with that do that experiment over and over until in the heard to just heard in the scene or just seen in the tasted
just a tasted
in the touched just the touched in the smell just the smell and in the mental phenomena just the mental phenomena this was the observation this was the experiment
and by i did the observation he did observe himself his hearing is seeing and so on and he did observe to see if in the scene there could be just the seem
oh and the boot also said when for you in the scene there's just to see and in the heard they're just to heard
then you will not abide in the scene in the heard in the meant of anime you will not abide in it
you will not identify with it
and there will be no here or there are in between and that will be the end of suffering and by i did this experiment until for him that's the way it was
and him and he did not
dwell in or abide him
seen the heard the smell that touch the tasted
the meant of an amen
and he attained freedom
in just a few minutes
how the second scientific example example a buddhist scientific research and realization and discovery of nirvana by observing an experiment
do you remember that story at warren
now here's a new stir a buddha experimenting
but i don't think i told you
this stories in the middle and sayings i think it's number one hundred and forty one i'm not sure and it's called discourse on elements
the tunisian or dacia and it's a story about it
a person ah who had considerable understanding
but he was also rather home to this on for me
not yet
he was rather humble and he wondered if he has understanding was complete
unlike jojo he wondered if his understanding was complete he wasn't sure
and in is wondering a a deity came to him and said know your understanding is not complete
however don't worry don't despair there is somebody who's understanding is complete his name as gautama buddha and he lives his teaching and serve the
you can go there and he'll help you complete your understanding

how many you ever don't even remember me telling you start before
what if you are not going know right
okay so shall i continue
okay i will
so i think i'm not sure but i think ah shavonte is in north east india and had also there's another city com or raja greyhawk which is also in northeast india and on the way from where
this person does person's name by the way was pook sati this humble
seeker who was now wanting to meet the buddha heard the buddha was in shavonte and started to go on pilgrimage to meet the buddha and on his way to shrub rt he would pass through raja griha
now
what i'm telling you is a combination of what's in the sutra and what's in commentaries on this sutra so if you look in the suit to you will not find the whole story that i'm telling you
so ah pook srt and our heads off to meet the buddha to get teaching that will help him really complete his understanding and he's gonna go ah through service raj agree how to meet the buddha not the buddha over and shavonte for some reason or other
decides to leave shivaji and gorgeous raja griha
get the picture
now probably the reason why he decided to leave of de gotha as you agree her is that he wanted to meet this wonderful disciple who he knew was coming to see him
brackets excuse reference to supernatural powers close brackets
so the buddha knows that is that this monk has come in to see him
he knows what rudy's taking so he heads out to intercept him at roger griha rather than wait and shavonte for him to make the whole trip
and he leaves his his his students
and says i'm going on all hike
and the buddha takes he doesn't have his attend he doesn't have his entourage right it just by himself he takes off his his glamour
so the buddhist sometimes as her glamour on and sometimes doesn't
i never suzuki where she said one time under certain circumstances i would appear like a great zen master
but without those circumstances i looked kind of like an ordinary person
and i felt that way that i if i received as a garage on the street i i wouldn't think oh my god is a zen master whoa
but when i saw him at zen center
surrounded by his wonderful students i could see while this is a great teacher
so way the buddha took off his glamour and started heading over to roger griha
the buddha is observing
what she's observing is deserving the world of sentient beings and he sees one of them is coming to see him he's observant he's gonna try an experiment now he's gonna go meet this person as an experiment
so before the buddha get to raja griha us sought to get sir and he goes to a potter
and he says to the potter excuse me sir
may you have some place i can stay for the night and the potter says well you could stay in my potter shed
and poker site said thank you and went to stay in the potter shed then this buddha comes and knocks on the potter's darn says excuse me sir you have a place i can stay for the night
can you believe this story and the potter says well yes i have a partnership but there's already somebody staying there
the potter does not recognize this the buddha as the buddha he looks just like
precocity looks like a wandering mendicant
not
the world honored one
so he says sure you can stay there if it's all right with the person is staying there it's all right with me so buddha goes to the shed and knocks the door and precursor to led some men and he said may i stay here with you and poker site is is your friend you can stay here
so then they stay there together boot is doing an experiment
he's coming to observe this person is and is can experiment to find out who this person is what are his abilities what is he ready for buddha knows this person's coming to see him
but he's gonna not do some experiments with dispersed them some inquiries some examination of the student to find out
how'd you transmit the teachers
following the story so sofa
so ah so there they are two to yogis in their potters shed and i get the impression that they're both sitting up through the night and somewhere in the middle of night buddha
after what after sitting and observing this the student who's coming to see him
the buddhist says
thanks to buddha thanks perhaps his person would like to receive some teachings i mean i know he wants teaching from the buddha so he might want some tissues for me since i'm buddha
so buddha says he it doesn't say what you like some teachers from the buddha the buddha says would you like to hear some dharma teachings and again focus on is not so arrogant to say no i don't want teaches from you i only want to teach you from buddha i'm going to see the buddha you just be quiet now he said okay
okay friend please give me some teaching
and the buddha does and it's pretty good teaching i mean it's a suit dress is buddhist teaching right leather which is pretty good and the teaching is in this is in the scripture and the buddha's given the teaching as really wonderful and he teaches this is discourse on the elements of gazette of existence which is which if you study them
you'll realize nirvana is another it's another way to realize freedom is this teaching so as teaching this month and while his teaching among does wake up
he does how awakened and he realizes not only awakening per se not even per se not even awakening ungraspable but he also we realize who's talking to him
he realizes it's buddha talking to him
oh i forgot an important part sorry
before the buddha offered the teaching the buddhist said to put versace hundred whom have you gone forth to study and poke assad he said i'd gone forth to study under shakyamuni buddha
who's your teacher shakyamuni buddha is what focus artesia to buddha and budi said have you ever met the buddha and book assad you said no i have never met him would you know what the buddha would look like if you met him no i wouldn't so buddha found out that he
he was honest that he was admitting he was going to study with somebody had never met he didn't know the border would look like the border could even look like this person for all he knew
so he he he he inquired and found out that precocity was humble was honest and therefore may be ready to receive the dharma
he gave the dharma focus on the woke up and realized that this person in the room with him was the buddha he was yearning to meet and he was so happy to meet the buddha and he he said i was seeking my teacher and my teacher has come
and i'm so sorry that i talk to you kind of informally and referred to you as friend
rather than one hundred teacher or whatever
and the buddhist said yes i understand but you've seen that there was what you did and you've acknowledged it and can and repented it and this is this in this way of dealing with that the dharma wheel turns so here again the booted is teaching posts
sati the power of confession and repentance
so this has not example of the buddha
observing finding out the somebody wants to study and doing experiments with the person to find out what teaching will be best for him and then he gave him his teaching and it was really good for him and he walked and he got to he got his teaching became his practice became complete
would a face to face this another example what i would say is observing and experimenting between teacher and disciple

and again
in our in our expert mfg that we're doing here together and other times and places were doing the observing an experiment and in the context of compassion which i feel helps our experimentation be kind and careful and gentle
word were doing the experiment within our wish to free all beings
so they can live in peace
some people are doing observation and experimentation but not necessarily in the context of our vows were doing this experiment it i hope we're joined this experimentation i pray they were doing experimentation in the context
a being respectful to what we're studying being gentle and careful with what we're studying which is our own body and mind and the bodies and minds of others
so that we can critique we can question we can challenge
we can we can investigate we can examine but in a careful gentle way so nobody gets hurt by our study
and i i pray that scientists will
oh start
discovering their bodhisattva vow to
support their scientific research so their scientific research search will be humble and honest and unselfish and for the sake of the world i think some of them are you that way but some the i think need to bring more compassion to there
scientific observation and exploration

so this is my
this is what i offer to the great assembly for discussion for conversation
for please observe yourself and us at me and question may experiment with me

as you wish

hello rob lowe assembly long
ah all week i've been thinking about ah just really what you sort of talked about your and and i really want to like get into it a little bit
specifically and it's about like questioning you know like questioning
a teacher like or how the teacher my question me
and how to like for instance i would be interested what i really thought i would ask you would if if your teacher was here and and you had the chance to question him
ah can you
offer me some
im feeling about what that is and and put you how you would do it in and didn't do you see what i'm trying to get out it is i don't know if i see what you're trying to get it i just i liked the idea of questioning and being questions because that's how
we're gonna do with this
but there's something they are you know other i don't know how to really explain it but you already doing right now
well i'm questioned you about questioning know and i want to know about questioning and how i can do it skillfully to not you know i can not store with the buddha somebody says the buddha some great questions owe less a great question ma'am thank you so much you've been to help everybody but these questions so
just talking about that little bit too know feel it a little deeper the because we do it so much and
i hate to miss the chance of having scuffle conversations
same i when i hear you say you hate you you'd hate to miss the chance of missing skillful conversations
yes yes
and you didn't i know if you said it exactly but you would you would like to learn how to cook out a practice questioning and become skillful and questioning and receiving questions and you'd like to become skillful that receiving questions yes
did i understand you somewhat well way up perfectly okay so on
right right now your i think you're doing something that would be appropriate to learning to questions gilfoyle you're stating that this is your wish
that they're often will help you learn something is to tell people that that's what you want to learn
and you just did that
u n a lot of people heard you
ah
so you could get drawn further to say to this group of people which includes me
that you you would like people to help you with your questioning practice
yeah i would like that yeah said i would like people to help me with my questioning practice so these people heard you and or something but there's more people in the world besides these people in addition to these people
you can tell other people that you wanna become skill or school for questioner
yes and you would like them to help you be a skillful questioner
okay and you can also and then you can ask him a question which is
would you be willing to help me
k
and some of them might say yes
and then and then some might say how can i do that and then you could tell them a little bit about
what might might be helpful to you

okay
and then what dapper you might say you i'd say it would be helpful to me if i ask a question and and you don't feel comfortable about it that you would tell me and we could try to find out what how what what you feel uncomfortable about the were asked the question or of the nature of my question
and they could him or if if you if if they felt like there was something good about your question you would let appreciate hearing that too so i wanted to questioning but also one feedback on my questioning and i'm gonna tell people that i want that
yes
so as in the questioning you want to stay right
i want to stay right on the top of the questioning so that it doesn't get lost in some sort of other miasma of discussion so you you see that it doesn't veer off into someplace that i don't really wanted to go so so there is an actual question in there is a response such
that would you want and you just told us that yes and then and then you could ask us
or ask whoever you're talking to if they understand what you're talking about did you understand what i just said and they might say no and then you tell more and then they understand better and an anonymous and then you might say it's not do understand better and they say yes and then you say are you willing to do this and name may be say yes
so if you want to become him
skillful questioner
then you need others to help you
and you need to fight them and asked him for feedback on your questioning
and yeah
germany feedback from me on my questioning and they might say well actually yes you did you ask the question just now you asked if i hadn't feedback but has been a long time since you asked me that question
and you say oh that's right i hadn't been asking you for feedback
ha you i asked you a long time ago if you would question me and you didn't but then i didn't renew the quest i didn't renew the invitation and you didn't immediately questioned me i guess you needed more repeated invitations and they say yeah
now that you've asked me over and over i realize you really do want me to question you as some people don't want it
i say
a lot of people don't want it
so a lot of people want hiking
which is okay but for the people who want to be questioned just not ok so i think it would be good for you if you want to get skillful a question a you need to tell people that your wish that your aspiration and has been they'll help you and and then repeatedly and
white them and renew the invitations to
to check in with them about how you doing in your questioning practice and you can do this with your so called peers you can do it with your family and you can do with your teachers
like it here right now with your your peers are watching in you're talking to a teacher and teachers giving you some introduction on how to start training your questioning
thank you you're welcome thank you for your questions
ah

so am
i am in the habit i think of a getting lost in my perceptions and my thoughts and taking them as a reality
and and i'm even kind of trained to do that as an as an artist too kind of call forth
from the half light or whatever what's there and i am used to relying on these perceptions visions
sensations as being a guiding mechanism for a for for learning truth and learning wisdom and so this whole buddhist thing is a bit problematic
and i am attached and that kind of in grasping and attaching to these signs to navigate the world and so you're saying i hear you saying that that's kind of a mistake i mean it's not this path exactly it's taking
what is it real is real
yeah read taking what religion as not real is not is not what we're trying to learn we already know how to do that right so this path is to be compassionate to taking to the taking of what's not real as real it's been compare
shh of to them but help but how to do that when i feel like sometimes i'm given through this attunement to that the delivery of the unconscious that that's where i'm getting on what i need like things that i don't know
are being given to me
yes thank you don't know i've been given to you and that's okay i feel okay about that but the problem is that actors are given to you think you know them that's the problem that i think i know what i have incited or whatever yeah and then you you think you know when you think you know then you grasp it
and that's suffering yeah so when that happens that the practices to practice compassion towards that pattern which you kind of telling us about right
it almost seems impossible to to not at to like i somehow feel like i don't have actually the am the ingredients the ingredients to do what you're describing i
can you feel like you don't have the ingredients to practice compassion know that i have i think i have the ingredients to practice compassion i just don't know if i have the ingredients to let go of my perceptions annoy me
when you when you're holding onto the world
you don't have the ingredients to let go of grey however if you practice compassion towards you're holding on rape you will discover the ingredients of letting go
and i'll see you will find out that the ingredients of letting go aren't something you have you need to possess you ought to have them
you just need to discover them and when you discover them they do their job
you don't
have the ingredients of letting go but they're right in front of you and if you're practicing compassion you'll discover them built girl appeared to be revealed to you so if faced civilian and by being compassionate compassionate with delusion the truth will be revealed
so do just as a as an illusion appears to like oh i think this is i'm perceiving that some phenomenon and then i say oh i'm going to be compassionate to that phenomenon and let it go like that phenomenon hats as no reality or truth to it
you could say i'm going to be compassionate to it and then you next part you could say and let it go but i would say it more like i will be compassionate to it and it will be released
i'm not gonna do it the compassion releases it just like i don't like an when we say
by the power of confession and repentance the roots of transgression melt away i don't melt them away i just practice compassion and repent and repentance or our confession and repentance business and that has a power and of the power of compassion will let go of it
attachment to illusory phenomena
the resources will come
and make possible releasing attachment to the things we think we need to attach to the do still believe illusionary phenomenon has lessons to teach you or not it does it's just grasping but you learn from it yeah just like you have things to to
teach me but if i grasp you i'd i'd forestall your teaching
hmm
so the illusory phenomena if you grasp them you close the diamond door dharma damadola right if your compassion to them they're down the door opens
they turn into dharma doors if you don't if you are respectful of them if your internet with them you will discover the truth of them the dharma door will open
so are you generating space between everything that arises or you can space yeah like it feels like i mean on not generating anything but i am i am giving myself i am receiving and giving compassion and that discover space in eh
everything's right
mccann airy
q scary is another thing to pro carry huh
dairy it sounds ary ary you'll get there is another thing to practice compassion
that

good evening rap good evening good evening great of someone else
hello
i i think what i am curious to explore as similar to what warren
oh
brought to us and i'm curious what rural world would say in addition to you wrap
but i
i felt very moved by what are you responded to my question last week about responsibility and
i relate to the idea of a responsibility practice being a reality practice and in the back of my mind that is chasing this question
and my question is about critical thinking
i'm so related to buddha's teaching and his learning and how he pursues or how he no pursue isn't the right question but how he's teaching us about reality
city and how he learns about reality and
my observation is is that when an observation is uncomfortable on
while reality of lines works
this discomfort ah there are some shame for others and pointing to it and the
there is a pressure to say all that all is fine
that you know that the comfort of what
is understood
is more important than
even if you can verify that
that observation is real there is a discomfort in upsetting that which is understood
and i'm
hmm i guess in my life there been
i have had experiences since the time i've been very small
where
bringing this reality to bear
has ultimately had positive
impact it has helped people
at
but it
is very challenging to stay with reality because they're such resistance to it it's resistance to
accepting the reality that pointed to and i think that is bears bears
out and scientific truth and great suffering has happened to those that have brought truth
that we now greatly value on monday those truth tellers have suffered terribly
can you can you
it can you help me with this understanding of
or help me with this observation that it that you
people
want a smooth things over and make a nice for the group and as effort if the truth is not nice or or not the truth is that nice but the truth is the truth and that challenges the understanding of the group that truth is then
uncomfortable and so the truth teller is
shame on you are you are you by any chance a psychotherapist who have know well you know if you're in a group and you have some truth you'd like to share and you feel like it's not safe to share that group it would be good to find somebody you can talk to who might be outside
side of the group that you could tell your fruit to if you're afraid to do it in a group because hear what you say is true that sometimes you bring something up to a group and is different from maybe the majority of people in the group you might get in you know a lot of negative response
that can happen
and you could get hurt
so is good too good to spend time with somebody
who does not represent a group or hope who was more interested in you being able to express yourself and and we understand yourself that that's their that's their main thing that they want to help you get to know yourself even if in the process what you think wouldn't be
wouldn't be happily received by a lot of groups so don't don't start by telling the group start by telling somebody who is primarily concerned with helping you to learn about yourself through expressing your truth
and when you get better had expressing yourself
with you know and learning that you can survive even if you tell your truth your troops
then you can talk to groups maybe who you do disagree with you
and you can see once you understand yourself you can see when it's appropriate to speak to a group and bring something up which most of them will be shocked by and how to do it
but i think a lot of truths we discover for ourselves we should not start by telling a group of people
we should start by telling someone testing it with perhaps our teacher who will help us and talk to us and question us and help us clarify or truth
because just true
that a lot of people do not want to hear anything that's little bit different from what they already think
we need to find some people who are
devoted and aspired you listening to people who disagree with them and helping those people get to know themselves and not squashing people who disagree with them but fostering their expression so that they can understand themselves better even if the person's say
saying something which the so-called teacher disagrees with i'd rather they still want to help you express it
if you answer correctly you can understand yourself
i guess i
my my experience has been over all very positive so taking the risk to
stand up for someone who has being hurt or that's mostly what it is
by by speaking to the humanity of that person
my experience since i've been very small has been overall very positive and as changed the dynamic of groups so when it doesn't happen or or like you said i feel like i've been in training for a long time and when it doesn't happen
i've realized my skills are still limited door or i'm maybe my timing as and good the over my words are awkward or not at the adapt and it's good to realize that that that that that might be the case
yeah and then i don't know like then
then i have to go back to school and
learn more
i'm and wonder what it was that didn't
what it was that i missed in that situation is good it's good to wonder that and is good to get other people involved with you're wondering
so how'd you how'd you do that like do like how do you how do you do that or right now you're doing that you're saying how does google and known for they i am i guess i just need you know why you
if you know why you're asking or how do you do it if you not you said you know so why you ask you if you know
i guess it cause it feels
rudder a little rudderless or something
can you practice compassion with rudder looseness
no not right now
do you do
you know yeah you can't practice compassion know that know why hear you
we're sorry he is okay it's it's good that you can confess that you can't practice compassion right now yeah and and we accept that if if you can't thank you you're welcome

iran
hi deborah i just wanna cast
photo it's really bad i mean the screen is my bad sorry i just want to share how of impact to same to see if you have any thoughts on so i think it was the last know a bird
the first mentioned that they're just having compassion for it instead of what you can which is talk about for difficult thoughts that come up but fear or hatred and anger and i haven't practicing compassion for the the fear for the anchor that has been arise has been offended it kind of deserves that
i'm
it i mean an example is when you are speaking at know a bird i was actually had a soccer game and
someone not by sundown and i heard the parents say something like take him out you know and out and i responded like
compassion and and this is somewhat need i don't even know right so it wasn't that hard and it was a soccer game so it's kind of you have people speak that way but it really helped to solve its have been practiced seen it in other situations that are among little more attached to
so i guess my question is is that what you're speaking of the second type of compassion
that's one question when your time at the three types because it it did feel like it helped transit or maybe that something totally different helped transcend those really it helps transcend painful feelings
i've been practicing at with
an anniversary of an upcoming healing member's death and it's helped with that too i just sort of 'em
i don't know how to describe it a step kind of helps to
ease to
transform this feelings and then
and then today were mentioning the story of the buddha in the forest being
just been with the fear so it sounds like there's death and then a practice that to this is two different kinds of practices cracked as up
the city this makes him
i'm i'm i didn't could you tell me how how you're practicing the second are you trying to bridge second type of conversion
and i don't know if it's the second type it is it's something i guess when you talking about three types that it sounded like the second type to me and so when i'm practicing with us when difficult feelings come up like anger hatred are v here i'm just practicing compassion for those feelings
did you and and it does help i guess it
it it just helps transform the pain of it as i don't feel the same pain it feels like it almost deserves that
it's no longer a tap ads like when he had a simple that example of the soccer game said ma anger or been a throng in a kind of focused on this parrot i just kind of deserved it and i'm just using an easy example but am
did you say that you focused on the parrot know normally i might you know like if someone said something like saying that that you know even if it's just in jest to hurt my child i would feel angry at shaw lot of
oh and phillips said about it but i just focus compassion of my anger
post on your anger right and that help the saw that i don't dissolve that's not really the word had just helped his smith did i i've read it and feel i didn't really feel angry and implore i didn't feel i guess a catch to this feelings
yeah maybe you maybe when you
gave compassion to your anger
the anger was released
it felt that way you and may we'll or took his place with compassion

and it felt like it
yes sir thank i was at grasp in the person i was grasping that a
did when they were saying that was making me angry i just felt like
right to stop it the compassion
yeah you were you're directing your compassion towards your own suffering ragged
those maybe that's what i need to do for a while middle or yeah for while he like i hope you do that for the rest year life
that every time you feel anger if you fly me feel the affliction of anger i hope to jute their compact as you accept and give compassion to that anger whenever it comes
forever whenever good and the same with other people's anger
i pray for that
in this way this wonderful thing called compassion will grow
i feel like i finally feel like i've been listening to you talk about this for i don't know how long and shelling
with able to actually
do the practice and
am
get it a little pat
but i almost had a listen to you say it over and over and over yeah it seems like that is necessary
quite a bit of repetition until the practice actually happens
and i'm willing to do it over and over until all that's left is compassion
the hangar compaction delusion compassion attachment compassion fear compassion that's what i'm working for so thank you for letting compassion come in there at the soccer game and embrace your anger
thank you thank you

what come june
thank you rep
ah
a first term wanna see for some reason this talk was very young company in settling for me
and
i appreciate them and particularly the end when you said you wished we wish that the scientists ah
operate you wish compassion
visit them and that date are practice compassion with what you're doing and that really helped my fear around in what what gets implement or expedited by their discoveries
so that is good and then i was i'm torn it right now i've found it arising that i just want to kind of just enjoy several it to the comfort of the talk and then
ah
ah various reasons that know i come in with questions and then when i listen i forget the questions kind of
but i haven't forgotten the question and for seven months a moron i think it was warren who last week said his clunky mind
and yeah i think maybe somebody had a clunky my last rounds i remember that mm to night when it said what you said one was sir
a again comforting and just i felt i'm not alone with that of very thing that he confessed not knowing how to ask
good questions and mean they're in mind getting them out with words is different well thank you for i do have a question though by many of but i'm jealous going to ass
you know i find myself
with the terms that i can't help it
looking for psychological words which i am very very familiar with in trying to help understand the language that you use
and so
the question is what would you say are in the language in your language our language
what would you say about intuition
where does that fit
ah in just came to mind that you know that old sixty saying we're all bozos on this bus together you know if this intuition is it on there
carmi consciousness bus or
it feels like
i
ah stop and mikey to address it answered please
i'm i'm not sure last weekend you were at a workshop with me june
yes and was and in that workshop i talked about three mine's yes which i think a lot of people here have heard me talk about
the three minds our conscious mind
the karmic consciousness
in which we are which in which is which is a prison when it when you're in this comic consciousness you may want to get out because there's lot of suffering there but you can't get out
wanted to get out just feeds just puts more ah it reinforcement on the walls heads
so we talked about that first caught the first type of mind karmic consciousness the next kite type of mind is the unconscious cognitive processes
in the third type of mind is wisdom mind
if we practice compassion towards the with you know with the comic consciousness now we opened to the wisdom mind yes now what about intuition intuition for the moat for utmost of what we experience as intuition are thing
things that that are given to karmic consciousness by the unconscious cognitive processes
a
a in consciousness we cannot make intuitions happen know but in consciousness we could do a little ceremony of thing we welcome any any intuitions i want to come now we welcome and the unconscious is that it might sense of into
revisions
but we it might wait till we stop during the ceremony for the intuitions to come or it might come at the beginning of the ceremony we don't even notice it but the intuitions do come i would save from the unconscious cognitive processes which are closely connected to our body
body and unconscious processes give our consciousness intuitions quite frequently
and they end they come basically effortlessly
yeah don't enough to work for intuitions are just hello
however intuitions aren't necessarily correct
he grew up however they sometimes are very very useful
because ah some of them have have been working really well for a long time for really long time and so the unconscious sometimes says i think this might be useful in a patch it up there and sometimes it is and sometimes just not biased and not off but loud times it is
and that's what are the advantages of the karmic consciousness comic consciousness can question i don't think the unconscious questions anything it just maintains the whole body mind structure in it gives rise to consciousness but it doesn't really do the hard work of analysis and questioning and investigating
that happens in consciousness however most of our consciousnesses are also
tend to not want to do anything that takes a lot of energy
we have to be really
committed to do analysis and questioning
to do it
that's why we need to make vows we need to get in touch with our wishes so intuitions can come into our mind and it's good to question them when they come
and the questioning of intuitions is a very fruitful activity he asked the intuitions are something we could not think up in consciousness they're given to us by our body and unconscious their precious gifts but they're not to be accepted without inquiry
but a lot of times they are accepted without inquiry ah
and is it in la times or works out
but sometimes wish you knew we really should check and we we we need to be convinced that it's important to check them
well i mean a lot of work to check yes but in in height learned the hard way that not every one of those intuitions is a good path to follow me so i now what i do is sit with and be with i didn't i asked myself the question
well is this yeah
do you have fear around this issue yeah good and if there's fear then not i
d with the fear and maybe it the intuition is correct or not but it least i know to or desire you know you sure you just don't want that to be here or desire and if you are compassionate towards the fear in the
desire that will allow you to study the intuition more well that's why they say it's kind of his skill you can develop which i think it's true
and sometimes intuitions might come without fear or without desire what we may still not be feeling it like wanting to make a lot of effort to just be with it you may want to just grab it without examining it oh that's true
you get the but you said that you wanted like be with him yes i would say when intuitions come especially if you know they are it's good to be quiet and still with them and think about whether this should be examined
and you might come to the conclusion it would be good to examine this
and sometimes you examine them and you find out there correct and sometimes you find out they're not
but even if they're they're not and therefore they're not useful in themselves they're useful that they prompted the study
yeah cause some of the network come will be checked out and will be true and they will they will be like
while they'll be like great discoveries of human of human of our human
our human family
a lot of scientific insights our intuitions yes and then they and they asked these people where did they come from and night they don't know but then after the intuition comes which they sometimes feel like this is not just your intuition is also true and they find out they were not only
he was it intuition and was and did it and they didn't think it was true but it was but they have to do it sometimes half a life of proof and study improve its right
the buddha the buddha had intuitions
but then the bridge verified yes the bullet didn't didn't freak out and grasp as intuitions he said he examined them and he encouraged us to examine our intuitions but not just our intuitions but also sorry she's also examine our ordinary conscious thinking
and when intuitions come examine those to be silent and still with an ordinary thinking and beside silent with flashes of intuition which are sometimes correct he and we don't know why
but we still can prove that they are and sometimes we easily prove that they're not
but again that's work which we don't necessarily want to do especially its intuition
seems really groovy
ah ah
thank you
i have an example which some of you may have heard before have an intuition
you are ready for it yeah ah so i'm gonna ask you a little math problem and i'm gonna ask you to a answered quickly to yourself ok
there is a baseball in of that set and the baseball the set cost a dollar ten
and the
the the the baseball the bat cost a dollar more than the baseball how much does a baseball cost
and you give your answer into yourself read before thinking about it
and he now that you've thought about it quickly and you've answered it now he won't tell me what and you cannot now you can analyze what do you what you came up with an refuted if you want to but anybody want to tell me how much the the bad cost
or the or the ball
you should answer some you you should have read a why you have an answer i'd say it's a dollar one dollar one dollar an hour that's that's for lot of people think that's wrong ninety cents that's wrong
fifty i what oh fifty five
a dollar five about writing a dollar five
but the intuition that most people come up with is the bats a dollar in the balls ten cents
that's what intuition comes up with and it comes up like that
and then it's okay once it comes up but that's what most people think of first a dollar
and ten cents for the back tensions for the ball dollars for the bat that's what our unconscious it under is not a good mathematician would you restate album place
a hostile crowd who was there is a set of a baseball bat it's indigenous store and set cost a dollar ten and bad cost a dollar more than the ball how much as a bad cost and most people say a dollar guardsmen
all cost ten cents
a threat but i also said the bug the bat cost a dollar more than the ball right
but he doesn't work but if the batter dollar ten dollar five it does cost a dollar more than the ball
but the intuition says dump without cost a dollar and fifty percent of college graduates get this wrong by by intuition they get it wrong but they get it wrong means that answer comes in they don't examine it and then this and then they said almost everybody by intuition gets a dollar
our and ten cents for the bat for the ball
ah nor eighty percent of college graduates get it wrong and fifty brush head of harvard graduates get it wrong
everybody their intuition is everybody's intuition is wrong almost everybody's intuition is wrong but some people but some people like twenty percent of college graduates stop and think this this this this question this test is too easy and mustn't miss a trick and then
and then they look which is more work cause you got the answer already so they're hidden working is it let's see if it's a dollar and are tenzin and the total would be a dollar ten but then the bat would be only the dollar the that would only cost ninety cents more than the ball
so that doesn't work so how much so then they do and they figure out our it's a doll dollar or five and an adult and five cents but it takes work and most people when they got this nice answer which is such a simple problem and you such a simple problem you get an answer like that so that they see the answered but lot of people want been check to see
jacket so a lot of the and so i got in my life we get that we and by intuition we get the answer and were too busy or tired or whatever to actually look and see if what we just came up with holds up to some inquiry and a lot of times it does not
and a lot of times it does
but a lot of times we do not want to check so we wind up with biased results from our unconscious which we have grasp and so we have to work and inquiring a what pops up in her mind
and we need to have a reason for it and the reason for it needs to be something pretty big like to protect beings from harm to to awakened us the truth we need to have a strong vow to make the effort to check out what's going on her mind

and u s a little bit about intuition and were a little bit over but i hope you enjoyed that little intuition joke
yes and i'm getting most of you'd get a dollar and and i intend since you're doing
movers thing especially if your answer really fast yeah but then if you don't have to answer it affects you to look and see or that's the answer i got then check it is and then you you can discover not pretty easily that your first answer was wrong in your first answer was fast and that was intuition and
your second answer when you refute it is for using your karmic consciousness your prison equipment to analyze
so the prison equipment is useful for something and so as the unconscious and i'm practicing compassion with the prison equipment will discovered the wisdom equipment
okay we'll have one more class next week thank you everybody for everything and good night
man i can't we extend to every being in place
with the true merit a buddhist way beings are numberless i vowed to save them afflictions are inexhaustible my vow to cut through damn gates are homeless i vowed to discover them would away is unsurpassable i've already be be
good night
happy time we have everything at an lp have find a lot of things to be grateful for ah
let me think headed