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Zen Energy: Cultivating Courageous Presence
The talk centers on the concept of energy and vigor (Viryah) in Zen practice, emphasizing the relationship between patience, courage, and the cultivation of energy for effective and compassionate action. Key discussions explore how settling fully into present situations leads to a release of energy that can be purposefully directed, without the interference of fear or the constructs of past and future. The talk delves into the importance of enthusiastic perseverance in discipline and how this ties into the broader Buddhist teachings on perfecting virtues such as patience, concentration, and wisdom.
- Shantideva, "The Way of the Bodhisattva": This text is cited in discussions about enthusiasm and perseverance, emphasizing that joy and energy in practicing good deeds are critical for awakening and merit accumulation.
- The Story of Shakyamuni Buddha’s Enlightenment: Referenced as an example of heroic effort, detailing Buddha's steadfast commitment amidst challenges from Mara, showcasing the virtue of energy in Zen teachings.
- Buddhist Perfections (Paramitas): The talk analyzes aspects like patience, giving, ethics, and concentration, emphasizing their interplay in achieving spiritual development and liberation.
These references are core to understanding the integrated approach to developing energy and resolve as crucial components of the Zen path, indicating where to direct academic attention for deeper research into Zen practice.
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It's called V-I-R-Y-H really, uh, is related to the word vera, or ver, which is related to the word by vera, means, basically means, so many, so it can be, um,
[01:04]
You can translate it as strength, vigor, power, heroism, progress, valor, fortitude, courage, firmness, and verility. Let's say energy. Energy. before I go and get any further, I want to step back to previous perfection, patience, because, of course, Like in all these perfections, there's a relationship between each other. In particular, there's a kind of like spring or a relationship between patience and heroic effort or courageous energy.
[02:14]
Kind of like completely settle into the situation. And when you hit the bottom of it, then, naturally, action comes forth. And then, of course, people are acting all the time. But the action that comes forth from completely, subtly issues of what happened is action that people got off. heroic effort, or dysphagia. And the more intense the conflict in which the situation will involve, if you completely settle into it, the more tremendous will be the energy and vitality of the trust or the sudden.
[03:28]
Last week, Nikki brought up a case of a person, for example, who is suffering a lot, and then people around this person may perhaps not be helping them as much as they could. And she wondered about the value or the appropriateness of being patient in such a situation. It seemed like they weren't born in life. She wondered about being patient. She even thought, perhaps, she should consult her friend, her suffering friend, to a little anger. Something like that. Right. Yes, Kirk, is that you did? You were a doctor.
[04:43]
I don't think I'm myself. I really don't think I would be sick. I would be sick. Sometimes I didn't listen. You know, I don't think I would be sick. Oh, okay. I didn't think I would be sick. I mean, we... It must be this. Or it might be, say, descent. That word, okay? That sometimes descent is appropriate. Okay. And then I was talking to Darwin, and he was talking about how sometimes when we were encouraged to practice patience or practice loving kindness, and other things were encouraged to take pillows and express our anger. Thank you. So one question that comes up, which I'll deal with in a moment perhaps, is what would be real to the same and what is not real to the same? What is resistance that makes healthy and what is resistance that is just selfish and clean?
[05:52]
And you know, If you see something not going so well, what I'm recommending, for starters, is that, it's like I just said in sitting, sometimes sitting in the phone is a little different. I'm recommending that you just sit through. whatever's happening, not being called, not being tangled. I'm saying, I'm saying the theory I'm presenting is that if you do that, you will be able to respond. Another way to quitters, I'm suggesting that you just, whatever situation you're in, no matter how bad it is, no matter how good it is, that you simply
[06:55]
remain in the center of the situation and not react to it. And the more troublesome or inappropriate part of order that we've seen, for starters, possible, learn to accept all this stuff happen as part of establishing silence and stillness. Stay close. Don't do anything. Don't push away any problems or these problems. Stay close to what happened with you. Don't do anything. Completely settle into the situation as it is.
[07:58]
And establish yourself at the center. And find the silence and stillness in the media for whatever the rest of it is. That's affecting patients. And you have to see what's happening in order to accept it. You have to be intelligent and observant in order to know what it is that's going this way or that way that you've been settled with. And my next proposal is that once you have accomplished that, once you have settled completely into the situation as it is, that is tremendous. the amount of energy becomes available to you. But not even for you, it becomes available. Because actually at the center, you know it's just part of the stuff that's around, that you use, that's two hard-sized systems. This energy that's available then can be used in an enthusiastic way to promote closeness
[09:13]
The image you might think of is like the potter's wheel. If you're spinning around and you throw something, if you're a reactor in a situation, you throw something off the center of the potter's wheel and just get blown off and just fly over. And fly over and hit some little potter. You throw the potable clay right in the middle of the potter's wheel. And if it's right in the right place, it's not that difficult to control and to be creative. So that's the relationship between completely settling down with the situation and having energy coming up with the next perfection. After acceptance, naturally, and we must act. After sitting through the situation, and not get entangled, like a dead person, you must and you naturally will respond.
[10:27]
You will respond appropriately. Or at least you have a quick chance of responding appropriately. If you work around it, it must happen. So that's, and then as for dissent, I think there are situations in which there are things which you want to dissent. But what the action that comes is dissent. You say, I don't like this. I want to stop this. But even you say, you just stop them. You can interfere with this life. It's not that you can interfere. You're not really interfering. You're just packing in harmony with the situation, and it looks like you have interfered, though.
[11:28]
For example, if someone's trying to jump out the window, the harmony of the situation is too much to suffer. It's in harmony with the situation. It's not in harmony with the situation. It's not in harmony with someone's trying to jump out the window and you don't suffer. That's called a harmony. And you do it, and you affect it. A person wants to commit suicide when you're not around, you think you do it on her. And that's a terrible thing, but for you at that time, you're not something you can do anything about. You're not there to accept the limits of the situation. You're not going to press you to do it. So part of settling into the center of the situation is to discern between a different kind of resistance or different kind of dissent.
[12:37]
What kind of dissent is coming from confidence and positive energy? And what kind of dissent is coming from feeling that you're good? what kind of descent is coming from, a self-defeating attitude. You have to look at the source of descent in yourself, and then that directory is saying which type it is. It's coming from silence and stillness. It's coming from accepting the situation completely. If it has a lot of energy in it, lead to life. You'll be being used to it. And again, even as you do it, then again it's a situation in which you don't miss a chance to use this situation as an opportunity for establishing stillness.
[13:47]
Always establish stillness in every situation. Even while the action comes from the stillness, then if you act, then you find stillness. So the next action will come again through stillness. Action comes from settling. And as you act, again you find settling. So that you can act again, and again, and again. This primative is about the possibility of constant constant, unreannuated, cool, action. But you must constantly return to the situation. You can't start with the situation as it is and then take a break for several moments for several weeks. You think that you're going to continue to operate back there. Nobody can do that. You have to keep coming back every minute to what's happening.
[14:50]
And again, when you come back, naturally, that produces perfection. Now, if you don't make that effort, you're still going to act all the time anyway. The question is whether you have a sense of what you're following through on this enterprise, what you've dedicated yourself to, and you need to bring benefit to all beings, or whether you just feel like you're acting, but you don't know where you're coming from. In fact, you're just reacting all the time. You're just The result of creating from outside of the power board Okay
[15:56]
So, as I just said, one of the consequences of actually understanding that we made by patients, practicing it, is one of the things that you get out of the practice of patients is fearlessness. Another thing that comes from it is this tremendous fear. Is that clear that fearlessness comes with the practice of patients? If you can settle with the situation completely, and again, settle with the situation completely, then you have presence at the situation you settle into. Past and future no longer capture. There's no barriers, and no future doesn't reach you when you're completely dedicated to the present. And present and early, for example, unity with the If you could really settle with them, you'd know that what you're dealing with is not an actual future.
[17:09]
There's no such thing as a future. Future put down the ideation in the present. Do you remember such a thing with the future that the machine works? Grab. Accepted the concept of the future and the present. When you settle with the present, you realize that's the only future there is. And without the idea of future, no fear can exist. So by completely settling in the present, fear has no way to degenerate it. And then that's over, and you have another present with another future and another path, which if you subtle it when you see what they are, you have those concepts. But of course, by definition, the future and the past are not here. But human beings didn't always imagine a history of the universe, a history of their personal life, and an endless future. This is only women having access to those of the present. So there really is no future of living in the present. And there is no real present that doesn't have a path to the future.
[18:10]
If you're in the present without a path to the future, you're a subdivision of the present. The real present is very dynamic. So that's why there's no fear in the present. It's completely safe in the present. Nothing can hurt you in the present. Things can hurt in the present. because nothing can hurt you, because nothing can get to you, nothing can be taken from you. Therefore, you're not afraid. Also, because nothing will be taken from you or given to you, you have to use the energy, you have one another pursuit of the energy in the body, which is all anybody has to reflect on. It's just that people imagine that we have less because they think in a certain way. Thinking that you can get energy from somebody else, you get weakened. If you think you do get energy from somebody else, you get inflated.
[19:13]
When you're inflated, less energy just in the ones you have. Because inflated, from time ago, you can be taken up. You can lose more than you actually have, so you feel uneasy when you need to worry. So if someone can give it to you, you feel weaker. If you can give it to somebody else, you feel weaker. If you just stay in your presence, I have 100%, whoever you are. Or to all that you need to know, do what you have to do. In other words, all you need to be completely enlightened. All you need to help. So then that's why this means ready to build the enemy, the Lord God. I know all I put a little uncomfortable with being men, saying, of course, the word of this is a viewer, which means the word of the man also used to write the book, the Sanskrit book in the book.
[20:23]
But anyway, that's the image. The image is a powerful, strong, heroic hiruki. And a warrior spirit. Heroic warrior spirit. Again, somebody who just goes right to the center, who just takes care of what needs to do back there. I heard this story about Marlon Brando, that he was in an active class one time and he had exercise, where they were supposed to imagine that there were a coop of chickens, and the chickens were formed somehow. There was an atomic bomb going home nearby. There was a coop. And the people in the class were supposed to catch out what the children would do. So various people did various things. where people flew off in various directions.
[21:27]
Marlon just sat on his crutch getting moved and a Mayan laying egg. He dared to be still in the middle of a situation like this. This is a heroic movement. This is a warrior's movement. Warriors don't have to run around after people. People come and jump on the lawyers if they want to get killed. Chickens are not designed to run around. They may run around some, but basically they're designed to lay eggs. They're not designed, that's what they do. But sheep only lay eggs. You're running around dozens, a couple of atomic bones.
[22:30]
But Lady X is a way to be free of people. If you are willing to just let X dare be who you are. Shanti Deva said, having patience, I should develop enthusiasm, for awakening will dwell only in those who observe themselves. Just because there is no movement without winning, so merit does not occur without enthusiasm. What is enthusiasm? It is finding joy in what is good. It is effort for the good.
[23:46]
It is energy in pursuit of the good. We talked before about the joy in giving. This is another kind of joy. This is the joy in the good. find them joy, what is good. That's the essence of enthusiasm. Until you find, and you've got the energy now from the patience to put into being over joy, what is good. And then that joy is translated into, again, action. You put these good things into action. For example, you do the printer's practices, of giving practical kind of patience. Patience is good. I want you to practice patience to get this energy, and then to use this energy to be joyful about the practice of patience. I can go back and practice patience with them. It produces more energy for the patience. Now we know how to go more and more happy with our practice of patience.
[24:51]
more and more happy about practicing. More and more joyful about practicing good. This is the hard work. This is the perfection of hard work. But it's joyous hard work. It's hard work. It's wholesome hard work. Joyful, wholesome hard work. knowing that all enlightening beings do exactly this. If you are going to do all the things that you did, you're not going to step short of that you have that much joy and that much confidence. If you're not going to actually go to the end of the course, feel perfect and light enough to save all beings. You actually have the inner details. Opposite of this intensity, Anderson, is lateness. You can hear that, before it comes and whiten, you have to take Mount Everest and calm it down into a fine color.
[26:06]
If you hear that, you think, oh, gee, I'm not very fine. I might get tired, or my hands might get whistled. If you think that way, that's the opposite of enthusiasm. It's called synopsis. or you're being affected by Indians, at least when you talk that way. In here, that what required in order to do some impossible things like that and to say, no problem, I'll do it right now. That outrageous enthusiasm and confidence is what is necessary. Nothing short of it will do. cutting short of it, you're still pretty visible. So you can work up to it. But you have to, again, with the attitude of, I haven't quite reached there yet, but I'm going to keep working until I achieve it.
[27:11]
And I'm just going to keep doing it. You know, they say that the Shakyamuni Buddha himself was a great hero. And one book I read said, and he owed his victory over Mara chiefly to this, to the Sibuddhya. And I think it's very important to remember You know the story of Poodle and Ma? Well, I'll tell the story. He was trying to eat that one night, or actually one day he was walking along, and he quickly, I think he quickly
[28:21]
with water bubbles in the rivers, and you flow the stream. You think that it's a sign, tonight, you should enter into meditation, and help you achieve perfect enlightenment. So you said, going to tonight, and then meditation, and I have not been removed from this spot, until I achieve perfect enlightenment. So you said, and with that determination, you can hope, All kinds of distraction. All kinds of distraction. All kinds of distraction. A demonic possession. Mar came in armies of Mar. He's trying to scare him. Armies of seductive figures trying to trap him away from the sea. And finally, the final challenge of Mar was Who do you think you are?
[29:23]
You can sit here when you feel like me. Fuck the city. And that final challenge, I wouldn't know that with these hosts of attackers, you just sit there, stay at the center. But that final challenge about whether he was actually being selfish in the project, he said, okay, let's ask the Earth. So this heroic effort was very important that he paternity to support the center of his life until he finished his job. which had already been spent a minimum of lifetimes put to the point.
[30:26]
A minimum of lifetimes of practicing this way, of this kind of hard work, of tremendous charity, kindness, and concern of being and working with how people were watching that for conduct of the capital of the United Ocean for a minimum of lifetimes, not as rich as the point now to complete this project. You can't do this. You don't have to have it. But also, Eric talked to him. Mother Eric talked to him. One of the stories I shot in the video, talking about his power work was that in a cat's life, he counted, they say he counted me on a tree. That's true, yeah, a tree. Well, no trees. Let's say a regular tree. Kind of on the tree on a tree. I would say that one of the characteristics that we wrote in is that the hero met the device.
[31:42]
She falls with So, too, with Jackie Mooneywood, he made this tremendous commitment over many life groups, unshapeably heroic Judaism, but not only, no matter what. The state was sent to the government's world away. Still, he got government. Because, who we really are, But one woman that you are who makes this effort is not this isolated person. It's not the person we like to know it. And that's also if you settle into the situation. You don't just settle into the situation of an isolated person. You settle into the situation as it is. The situation as it is is that you are with all of you. And that's much more difficult situation to settle into that situation of just who we think you are.
[32:53]
Happy people are subject to who you think they are. A lot. That's not who they are. That's a much tiny collection. Slightly controllable version of who you are. Who you are is also all the people you have trouble with. That's why I called the issues. You settle with all the people you have problems with. That's what you want. That's all of that. It will always be good. Not that it's one little person that you don't have to teach problems with someone. And then it comes from the media. The media are a part of what people need to have trouble with, and all the people you don't have trouble with. That's when we realize it. Another thing which is somewhat very critical that I just wanted to mention, which I thought of... some kind of... some kind of thoughts to look at falls from no point of view.
[34:42]
So if you look at these six perfections, it's possible that you can see something like... giving... ethics... in case it's enthusiasm, and then it comes concentration, Wilson. Meaning, I thought of a diet art model of precision, strength, and flexibility. So I would put strength equal to Wilson. It could be very, it's enthusiasm. Willing to be strong. Willing to be really strong. Again, is strength. Not a person is strength. So the strength comes from patience. What patience?
[35:43]
I would say patience. I would make a good one to precision. And also I would put practical conduct in relationship to precision. And I would put something I would add to the list would be warmth, which I would put giving like warmth, magnificence. Giving and warmth has a kind of patience with precision. This ability has strength and concentration, but it's a door. Once you have strength, this kind of strength, once you're working hard like this, you're going to need some flexibility to train you afterwards. Because part of what happens is that you're going to change it. So you have to drop your feeling, drop your energy, your physio, and you start all over again, just into a new situation, and you're finding out your new energy.
[36:52]
So concentration helps you not get disoriented by the change. worth visiting in this situation. Vision is not taking this whole thing seriously. The only thing is to see this whole process I've been conscribed of one Precision, strength, flexibility, the whole process of generating compassion, all the way through you. The whole process doesn't have you to do the work. Generating. Consistence. We've all just set up that we're willing to help with the free. And in order to be free,
[37:54]
Now you realize that they're not even causing us any problems. We have to establish a situation Occasions and methods establish the situation very clearly and precisely. Once the situation was established, a life not to restore it. To be able to reflect it, to be able to stay with these immensely vital situations, stay concentrated, and be extremely high-speed change. And the whole process was sponsored from before you started, Father. Beneficent attention could bring benefit to all beings. It was the first amount of letting go of everything. By getting everything away. With joy. So the most difficult part to understand in this whole process is just the process.
[39:00]
That's the most difficult part to understand. That's the perfection of wisdom, which is the I of each more than the practice of learning itself. I didn't need parents to finish the porch tonight, but this way we'll go through the units. And every one of these practices, taking a machine done, quite successfully, and extremely beneficial, whilst still believing that something, anything, completing practices, and holding partial, has some journey to this, some independent, isolated system. You can do all these practices while still having a new move, and they're still all beneficial. But for them to be, to jump up and beyond the benefit, they're going to kind of center themselves, and to completely liberate the whole situation,
[40:09]
You know, I'll be a little practice itself, but if you get the odds, you have to have these cards which seem nothing just by itself. But every one of these practices is a little bit of a matter of relativity. For example, in Britain, there really isn't you to see it. You play that game, you play that game, you don't have to realize that you couldn't fix the gift, fix the suit, fix the suit. You need that scenario to realize that truth with this. Giving is extremely good, extremely beneficial, especially if you do it completely with a quick joy. It's a pretty little arcana, but it doesn't necessarily release you from that.
[41:10]
It makes you happy, but as soon as it's over, you'll be right back in suffering for me, because you don't necessarily understand what giving is. The more you examine a giving, the more you realize that if, actually, I gave you something with a joint number, then you can eat something. And if I can't give to you, or to you, or to you, if you give to me, Without me giving you my willingness to be willing to give. The more you look at this, the more you realize that it is, you know, it apparently exists to get somebody who's really willing to give. Somebody, you know, can't receive a claim if you have that before, but not entirely to give. You get to think of the joy that happens on both sides. And there's many other things too that could be the gift. Because, again, a giver being a giver is a gift, and a receiver being a receiver is a gift.
[42:14]
The more you go into it, the more you realize it, there's no such thing going on up there. There's no such thing going on if you see them as it's just a gift. There's no such thing by itself. That's when he really starts to work. That's when giving releases to the people themselves. And for a little bit, I mean, I'll pull from that thing, I'll show them everything right away, and enjoy it. Again, it's ethics. There's no fixed thing called good. There's no fixed good, and there's no fixed bad. Also, it's not that the existence of the premise of the good and bad do that. It was not a permanent poem called good. If you think that virtue... Okay, virtue is complete. Virtually. If you think and know what virtue is, you know what is good and what is good.
[43:17]
You know what is bad. You see good and bad. and to know their relativity to each other, and how it gives no inherently fixed virtue, a thing called virtue. This is the perfection of virtue. Patience 3. The more you study patience, the more you realize that the one who's attacking you, the one who's being attacked, it is not really such a thing, because the one who's attacking you is benefiting, perhaps. And the more you look at that situation, too, the more you realize that it isn't really such a thing. The more you realize that, the more you accept the situation that it is, the more you're in the actuality of the present, and the more energy comes. And as energy comes within the house, it isn't as extreme for the energy of itself. Because again, this energy is co-produced by all these things. And next, concentration.
[44:18]
After this process, that it then, from the beginning of of giving, ethical conduct, patience, and energy. There is a concentration going on. That will trigger it because you can't practice any of these things without concentration again. You can't pay attention to what's happening and be concentrated on what you're doing without being not operating. What's going on in the whole time? What happens now which didn't happen in the world, which would be contrary and enforcement, is that now you intensify that concentration. And because of the previous practices you're concentrating, there's even more profound, more bliss. Now what you can do is you realize there's nothing to this bliss because it depends on the other practices. There's nothing to the practice of concentration because you entirely depend on giving ethics, persons, energy.
[45:18]
And then, because you realize there's nothing to this blissful triangle, because of that, you give it up. Because this is the most attractive of all things, world and all things. It's the medical, the blissful piece. And you must realize, for black and giant existence, that we truly are a relative phenomenon. It seems to be that hard. Remain already to realize the profession you work with, the sequence that they are. Again, it brings back now the ability to go back into all the previous practices, this full sense of them. You are the only one who can practice patience at your spot.
[46:41]
This is a great opportunity. Buddhas and Almighty beings are kind of licking the chops of this opportunity. They'd love to do it for you, but they keep it. And when you do it, they make some very happy. Would you like to make a Buddha happy? Wanting to make a Buddha happy is a very good point. Just the idea of wanting to make the Buddha happy, that's the fact that you have to give him. That's a very characteristic idea, because that would make the Buddha happiest if they want to take that. They do something for themselves. Like, for example, be patient with the situation. This would make the Buddha happy, they smile when you do that. other people also who can get great benefit, you can accept your situation, you can communicate with energy very easily.
[47:51]
The, um, uh, assimilate, um, assimilate with kind of intensity, this is why you need flexibility with this kind of strength. That whole possibility is cool. One saline for this kind of effort is it's like having a plate filled with oil, brilliant oil plate. You have to walk with this plate. And there are total, um, ready with sores to cut your cat to spill. No, that doesn't get you. Your children's death, whatever. Somebody can do something really horrendous and just fill this water. You're never going to take that on them. Like somebody saying, would anyone care to carry the oil across the courtyard?
[48:59]
That hand comes up from the fact that it's the patient. This parmate of his perfection is sometimes called fortitude. But the basis of this fortitude patient would have to be in a situation in order to carry a plate of oil across the world. If that's the way you've been in already, or in any situation, you can now pick up the situation and plate so you can walk off the point. what the benefit of all beings. And the, uh, Again, one of the Paranthians, a Western scholar looking at the Buddhist tradition, he said, now there's one thing kind of really interesting about this, about this very apartment, this profession of enthusiasm.
[50:06]
He said, the motivation for practicing this thing is similar to the motivations for practicing the previous ones. Motivations, for example, death. I mean, right now things are going pretty well for most of us in this room. But this is just a temporary situation. Things are going to change fast, you know, and I think maybe many of you have been shocked in the last week or so by the various things that have happened to people who know. I've had many people, and I live in a community, so maybe I hear more, but many people have died suddenly. Actually, one of the people who taught me about Nipani died recently, or a total relief issue. The only family went, died of a heart attack first, and one of my Buddhist teachers here, that cow that I took classes from the 70s, your daughter died, so... My wife's best friend, your closest brother, just came up with one thing.
[51:16]
Oh, you know, this got happening all the time, you know. I can't imagine what can happen after that. But we've got real big contours, so that's why. And not only that, we've been making a lot of a lot of imagination. We didn't have any line. It's extremely close to the perfectly light. So, think of the regular motivation for our talks always. In addition, this particular practice, this one, is a little bit different than the other. We need a lot of engagement on This is the action. This is the one that showed to them. Buddhists have been accused of various things. Buddhists are action people. They work. They make joy. And their joy will be work.
[52:17]
That's how you can call it. Well, again, this is talking about what I said. Dermatic change, you know, it's practice is just humanly, sick, and everything. What can you do? It's probably calm. Thank you. free and sick to everything, if we go, we've got a really good idea. Otherwise, we will be able to entangle with these. It's really a problem situation not to get entangled.
[53:17]
We did get entangled, but the call comes. Not enough to tell you what happened. Really, all your energy towards These practices are efficient. Really be there at the center of how we act. And we'll be able to respond to that. And compassion. And this will be the greatest joy of all of us. A couple of other people. But to communicate with us all in the non-binary. It's reinforcing pleasure. And then we can descend. Right in the middle of the way. And it is possible. Thank you for your attention. What you're glad is confusing in the situation. Part of the practice is to completely disappear inside the world.
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I'm obviously with that, and then this action. So that's the perfection you find. Unless you have an important thing. Bye.
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Bye. How are you?
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No? Yes. No, it's alright. Why couldn't I? To ask me on you. Oh, that's fine. Now, can you tell me the right now?
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I was just going to get a session at times. One, seven, two. That's fine. Okay. Yes, and, uh, well, we'll meet you there, and, uh, kind of make a minute as you like. Okay. Well, kind of, yes, kind of have a lovely cruise, and, um, on a special time.
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