But just flow in that otherwise. Not rejecting thoughts or feelings or opinions or anything, but... Basically, I think that the traditional Buddhist agree with that. It's possible to ascertain that level of life where we're flowing with all these causes and conditions and change. It's actually possible to actually let that flow and be aware of it. It's possible to live that way part of the time in life. I don't know the time. Because when you come into speaking languages and so on, you have to go into conceptual cognitions, which, in some sense, it's hard to... You can't be aware of conceptual cognitions at the same time that they're actually ascertaining direct perception, where this actual rich flowing is going on.

[01:09]

But it's possible. We don't have to talk and hear language actually enter into such a space, and people get concentrated enough to do that. If they can get concentrated. Usually people who have this experience are really concentrated. So a high degree of, say, I don't know how you call it, training or whatever. I'm thinking of Dogen saying, if you XXX, because I cannot remember the words, then you will find, and I'll let you say that part if you want to. When you experience...

[02:11]

sights and sounds with your whole body and mind. It's not like being reflected in water. It's not like the mirror and the image. When one side is illuminated, the other side is dark. You will discover, and now I'm going to say something terrible, I'm sure. A treasure trove. And you will use it at will. And you'll use it at will. That was terrible. Well? So... Yeah, so, who cares? It's terrible. It's a treasure trove, and you're using it that well. Can you use it well? Good. Yes.

[03:14]

Oh, thank you. So, the ancestors welcome us to see sights and hear sounds with our whole body and mind. Any problem with that? Is that okay?

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